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03-08-2008, 08:48 AM
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yes, but if you do the leg press (which is easier to learn) correctly and squats incorrectly, then leg press will make you last longer.
Though I agree, just learn how to do squats and do them, they are way superior
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03-08-2008, 10:44 AM
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supermoderating hos
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Originally Posted by karky
yes, but if you do the leg press (which is easier to learn) correctly and squats incorrectly, then leg press will make you last longer.
Though I agree, just learn how to do squats and do them, they are way superior
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I think that what we're trying to say is that even when done "correctly" the leg press still has too much risk attached to it.
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03-08-2008, 01:21 PM
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Well I don't think there is as much risk as the squat. Sure you'll get fucked up after time, but if you do squats incorrectly you'll get that in an instant.
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03-08-2008, 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by karky
Well I don't think there is as much risk as the squat. Sure you'll get fucked up after time, but if you do squats incorrectly you'll get that in an instant.
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Which is why you see everyone here emphasizing squat progressions.
I understand the concern about squatting. But I don't understand in 99% of circumstances how the leg press is a healthy alternative.
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03-09-2008, 01:53 PM
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Sold it for my asking price of $525, plus the guy gave me an extra $75 to partially disassemble the machine to make it easier to move.
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03-10-2008, 08:39 AM
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$600. Not bad. He deserves it LOL  Now, go buy some stretch tubing and mimic JP's band workout.
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03-10-2008, 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Phaedrus49er
$600. Not bad. He deserves it LOL Now, go buy some stretch tubing and mimic JP's band workout. |
Or.........I could put it towards the 'sod fund.' I need to buy a bunch of sod so I have a backyard. I had some work done in the yard last fall and I don't have a blade of grass left, it's all dirt/mud at the moment. After the sod is down I'll be lovin' the back yard again.
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03-10-2008, 09:37 AM
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Wow, $600 for a piece of equipment that serves just one purpose. I'm having a hard time justifying $300-400 for a power cage or $200 for a bench.
This is making me feel cheap.
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03-10-2008, 10:34 AM
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I like it when people don't understand the difference between "main exercises" and "assistance work", nor how well-designed programs can get around the anti-machine rhetoric presented.
That is all.
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03-10-2008, 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by PowerManDL
I like it when people don't understand the difference between "main exercises" and "assistance work", nor how well-designed programs can get around the anti-machine rhetoric presented.
That is all.
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But what's the percentage of the population that uses the leg press as assistance work?
.05%?
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03-10-2008, 12:42 PM
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God of Mischief
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Plenty of PLers have, and still do, over the years.
Whether or not the "average gym rat", or anyone for that matter, does this wasn't really the point of the argument; I was more pointing out the fact that "machines bad no matter what" is incorrect.
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03-10-2008, 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by PowerManDL
Plenty of PLers have, and still do, over the years.
Whether or not the "average gym rat", or anyone for that matter, does this wasn't really the point of the argument; I was more pointing out the fact that "machines bad no matter what" is incorrect.
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I understand the first part, but after seeing what the crowd is here and the questions that get asked time and time again; using the "no machine" rule is probably a good rule of thumb because the audience isn't educated enough to know when to use them.
Unless I'm somehow completely underestimating the questions that are presented in the training forum time and time again.
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03-10-2008, 01:14 PM
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God of Mischief
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Possibly. I just don't like polarized thinking, esp. when it's incorrect. Misinformation is misinformation.
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03-17-2008, 11:39 AM
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Focused on Success
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Well, I went on vacation and just saw that my comment generated some flack. If the leg press is performed with the back rest very far down (generally as far back as the machine adjusts to) and the legs are not moved past 90degrees (don't bring them into your chest), then it is safe. If you have low back problems be wary. But honestly, there must be at least as many studies showing negative affects of doing squats (improperly or with extreme weights) as there are studies about leg press being contraindicated.
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Originally Posted by ninja
Which is why you see everyone here emphasizing squat progressions.
I understand the concern about squatting. But I don't understand in 99% of circumstances how the leg press is a healthy alternative.
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