A guy at my Y was helping this really young kid workout last night. He had him do squats. He had the kid do squats with about 20% - and I'm not kidding - knee flex. His feet were about 9 inches apart. He had a bar with a ten pound plate on each side.
Why not just have him use bodyweight and try to get down in a deep squat position until he could have weight on his back?
I know that you have to pay to have a Y personal trainer and this kid got ripped off big time. I couldn't believe what I was seeing.
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At least he wasn't on a smith machine doing the knee flex thing with the 10 lbs on eah side. I see that almost every week - however, not under the advice of a trainer. at least I hope that's not per trainer's advice ...
Depending on the age and overall general health of the kid, you need to be careful when doing weight training with children. Their bone structures and joint development are not as fully developed as they become in teen or later years. It has something to do with the growth plates of developing kids.
I believe that the NSCA does not recommend strength training with weights for anyone under the age of 12, but I could be wrong.
I would tend to think that perhaps the trainer was being super careful about training this kid?
Trainers in here....what's your take on this?
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If he had done a complete review of injury history, done a proper assessment of this kids abilities and condition, and explained to the kid what weight training is exactly for and how it is to be done mechanically correct...and everything checked out ok and the kid was completely compliant, then I would ask why he was doing this too.
Depending on the age and overall general health of the kid, you need to be careful when doing weight training with children. Their bone structures and joint development are not as fully developed as they become in teen or later years. It has something to do with the growth plates of developing kids.
I believe that the NSCA does not recommend strength training with weights for anyone under the age of 12, but I could be wrong.
I would tend to think that perhaps the trainer was being super careful about training this kid?
Trainers in here....what's your take on this?
Or the kid could have been learning to squat his own bodyweight because that's very close to a movement that he may be doing playing on the playground. I don't think that natural movements were growth debilitating.
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Depending on the age and overall general health of the kid, you need to be careful when doing weight training with children. Their bone structures and joint development are not as fully developed as they become in teen or later years. It has something to do with the growth plates of developing kids.
I believe that the NSCA does not recommend strength training with weights for anyone under the age of 12, but I could be wrong.
I would tend to think that perhaps the trainer was being super careful about training this kid?
Trainers in here....what's your take on this?
He did seem very, very young. But, older than 12. I would argue that he was stopping where he was stopping because the weight on his shoulders was too much for him. It just didn't look good at all and part of it had to be that he was very new to lifting.
I couldn't believe the horrible form advocated by his trainer.
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Ha. It's got great equipment and is convenient to me, but not the greatest training environment for what I'm looking for just because there's not much of a "strength" environment.
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Depending on the age and overall general health of the kid, you need to be careful when doing weight training with children. Their bone structures and joint development are not as fully developed as they become in teen or later years. It has something to do with the growth plates of developing kids.
I believe that the NSCA does not recommend strength training with weights for anyone under the age of 12, but I could be wrong.
I would tend to think that perhaps the trainer was being super careful about training this kid?
Trainers in here....what's your take on this?
All the better reason to have him begin with deep, body weight squats, or goblet squats, so as not to (incorrectly, I assume) load the spine.
It's this kind of thing that makes me have little faith in most trainers out there... some of the stuff I see at my gym is laughable. But then again, people pay for it so...?
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At least he wasn't on a smith machine doing the knee flex thing with the 10 lbs on eah side. I see that almost every week - however, not under the advice of a trainer. at least I hope that's not per trainer's advice ...
I see trainers w/ clients on the smith machine all the time...... it's entertaining.........
I once saw something similar but it turned out that the person had teflon achilles tendon replacement and couldn't do much more, and would never be able to. I couldn't tell just by watching the person moving around.
Sometimes it's bad instruction and sometimes it's appropriate instruction.
There are about 10 trainers at my gym and only 1 of them is worth talking to about anything in the fitness field. The rest don't know there head from thier.... welll you get my point!
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Depending on the age and overall general health of the kid, you need to be careful when doing weight training with children. Their bone structures and joint development are not as fully developed as they become in teen or later years. It has something to do with the growth plates of developing kids.
So no weights, but we can let them run, jump, play contact sports, etc. which produce more impact on the joints and structure than controlled free weight movements?
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So no weights, but we can let them run, jump, play contact sports, etc. which produce more impact on the joints and structure than controlled free weight movements?
Exactly what I was going to say. Manny beat me to it. Bastard....
I would definitely look deeper into why he was squatting him at a 20% decent. You stated the kid may have been having trouble. it may easily be an injury the trainer is afraid of aggravating and does not have enough knowledge on anatomy and planes of motion to adapt a different training program.
One sidenote: I have heard pretty good arguments against deep squatting (especially for taller guys and gals). Usually the "length-tension relationship" theory is recited quite a bit.
Like Mahler hinted on: What can you do it's the "Y"
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I would definitely look deeper into why he was squatting him at a 20% decent. You stated the kid may have been having trouble. it may easily be an injury the trainer is afraid of aggravating and does not have enough knowledge on anatomy and planes of motion to adapt a different training program.
One sidenote: I have heard pretty good arguments against deep squatting (especially for taller guys and gals). Usually the "length-tension relationship" theory is recited quite a bit.
Like Mahler hinted on: What can you do it's the "Y"
I think the only trouble I stated him having was with the weight. He looked like he couldn't handle the 65 pounds, so I wonder why in the world have him
A) do that much
B) do it with such horrible form
On the sidenote, I'm tall and I won't go for deep squats being bad. I'm working on 'deepening' (if that's a word) my squats right now and they feel better than ever.
Again, if it was a flexibility issue, then I don't think he should have had any weight on the kid at all.
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Like Mahler hinted on: What can you do it's the "Y"
Sad thing is, the Y is the family place.
(I want to slap all of the fatasses with their fat kids who take the tours when I'm there. There's a reason, when I visit the Y at home, why everyone always looks the same)
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I think this post really shows that if we want to be good at what we do we need to keep learning, progressing and looking for answers to questions we do not know.
(I want to slap all of the fatasses with their fat kids who take the tours when I'm there. There's a reason, when I visit the Y at home, why everyone always looks the same)
Obviously you've never seen me at the Y... And Lisa~ too. And the girl at my Y that does squats, DLs, RDLs, Oly lifts, etc. with perfect (and I mean perfect) form. She is really fun to watch, and no, not in that way...although she is cute!
There's a ton of good lifting going on at my Y now. You get a few people doing the right stuff and it begins to take off. We've even got the rings up now and several people doing push-up and inverted rows in the rings. Lots of squatting, less deadlifting, and some O-lifts happening.
The Y takes a lot of flack and some of it is deserved, I know. But I think there's just as much crap in other commercial gyms. There are few good trainers and more bad trainers in most every commercial facility (JP's gym is a wonderful exception!). We can set the example and begin to turn the tide wherever we find ourselves.
Glad to hear there are some good guys and gals doing the YMCA justice.
Another sad story (not to jump all over CF), but a supposed CF cert trainer at a Y in PA had his clients attempting to use friggin' gymastic rings and do deep barbell squats when they clearly had poor motor ability to do either. Lawsuit waiting to happen and make the entire industry look more suspect then it is.
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Obviously you've never seen me at the Y... And Lisa~ too. And the girl at my Y that does squats, DLs, RDLs, Oly lifts, etc. with perfect (and I mean perfect) form. She is really fun to watch, and no, not in that way...although she is cute!
There are a few of us pulling up the average.
Still waiting to see that at my gym. I almost thought I'd lost my $20 the other day--goes to the first chick I see properly squatting or deadlifting with substantial free weights--but she was in the Smith machine
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One other point is that here in the UK if you work for some of the big gym chain's they pay very poorly. A friend of mine emailed me a link to a job as Fitness Manager at a large gym, the pay was just short of £8 per hour, only about 17k a year!
Still waiting to see that at my gym. I almost thought I'd lost my $20 the other day--goes to the first chick I see properly squatting or deadlifting with substantial free weights--but she was in the Smith machine
Unfortunately, I still see plenty of stupid stuff as well. I see the trainer put a lot of her clients under the bar on the Smith machine, and she puts some of them on the Bosu ball! WTF??!! You're trying to create some instability, so you put them under a bar that travels in a fixed path??
Unfortunately, I still see plenty of stupid stuff as well. I see the trainer put a lot of her clients under the bar on the Smith machine, and she puts some of them on the Bosu ball! WTF??!! You're trying to create some instability, so you put them under a bar that travels in a fixed path??
The BOSU made its annual comeback in the aerobics studio. It'd literally disappeared for a few months last year when I was needing it for rehab (and so ended up doing the work at home). January rolls around, and *poof* there it is (or should that be "whoomp"?). Poor newbies who can barely do a decent bodyweight squat get thrown on that thing with wreckless abandon. I honestly don't think I could tune out all the general ignorance (and horrible quasi-techno music) around me without my MP3 player blaring.
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Can not believe a trainer last night
And Lisa~ too. And the girl at my Y that does squats, DLs, RDLs, Oly lifts, etc. with perfect (and I mean perfect) form. She is really fun to watch, and no, not in that way...although she is cute! 
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