Have to Love Ross Enamait!

[Chris Correia]

Originally Posted by Frank.S

I couldnt do your circut im sure. But, I could put you through a deadlift session which was mostly isometric work for you

LMFAO!!!

No doubt. And let's be honest: COMPLETELY isometric. Do you have pink and purple plates for me to use?


I'll have to try a max one of these days. But I won't be posting it anytime publicly. I have my pride. I can't post a max weight that's less than many folks' warm up weights.

Frank, it's not the comment per se about how much weight. No jealousies here. It's the qualifiers about comparison/context. I respect everyone here for just their trying and consistency to improve. The weight or progress is irrelevant on many levels.

[RedWifey]

Originally Posted by Frank.S

Whenever I mention any number on here, these kind of replies get made, I guess by now I expect it.

I think the reason you get these replies so often is that you take for granted two things: 1)Your youth 2) your genetic gift that allows you to pull these numbers so easily.

I have NO DOUBT that you work hard in the gym...that's obvious to me and to everyone here. It's just that there are others that work as hard as you do, but may never pull that kind of weight. Let's look at it this way:

Frank: genetic gift + hard work = easy deadlifts
RedLefty: genetic gift + hard work = easily hit a baseball 500 ft
Chris C. : genetic gift + hard work = easily breaks stuff

Does that make any sense? I wasn't trying to make fun of your ability, I just wanted to show you that it's different for everyone.

[Chris Correia]

Originally Posted by RedWifey

Chris C. : genetic gift + hard work = easily breaks stuff

No genetic gifts. Small. Weak. Fat. Slow. Kinda old = not so easily break stuff.

14+ years of good and bad practice, trying to get somewhat progressively better.

[RedWifey]

Originally Posted by Chris Correia

No genetic gifts. Small. Weak. Fat. Slow. Kinda old = not so easily break stuff.

14+ years of good and bad practice, trying to get somewhat progressively better.

You're not helping my point Christopher! :p

[Chris Correia]

Originally Posted by RedWifey

You're not helping my point Christopher! :p

There is nothing particularly special about breaking stuff, nor about performing many martial arts techniques. Anyone can just practice and, over time, learn them. Granted, certain people -- stronger, faster, more coordinated or graceful -- can do more amazing things. So, the more impressive things probably do occur because of some natural gifts in many cases.

Feats of strength? You statement stands. And, some folks without gifts make some amazing progress. But gifts aside, is a 405 deadlift as impressive for a 6-0, 220 pound guy as for a 5-5, 150 pound guy? Those numbers are thrown about as if they apply equally to everyone, regardless of their current size, training history, age, or starting point.

I most admire someone who has made the most progress, taking what they have, where they started, and developing from their. So, a chubby soccer mom gets my great admiration for the progress she's made over the course of 3 years of practice, more than a fit 18 year old who has coasted on his abilities.

All that said, Ross is absolutely crazy fit. Crazy fit. He inspires me!

[RedWifey]

Originally Posted by Chris Correia

There is nothing particularly special about breaking stuff, nor about performing many martial arts techniques. Anyone can just practice and, over time, learn them. Granted, certain people -- stronger, faster, more coordinated or graceful -- can do more amazing things. So, the more impressive things probably do occur because of some natural gifts in many cases.

Feats of strength? You statement stands. And, some folks without gifts make some amazing progress. But gifts aside, is a 405 deadlift as impressive for a 6-0, 220 pound guy as for a 5-5, 150 pound guy? Those numbers are thrown about as if they apply equally to everyone, regardless of their current size, training history, or starting point.

I most admire someone who has made the most progress, taking what they have, where they started, and developing from their. So, a chubby soccer mom gets my great admiration for the progress she's made over the course of 3 years of practice, more than a fit 18 year old who has coasted on his abilities.

Are you calling me chubby!?


Just kidding!!!!! I really crack myself up!

BTW, I agree!

[Chris Correia]

OK, in between posts, I've been working up to a DL max effort. First time ever.

I don't train deadlifts regularly, haven't trained them in a while, and generally don't train max strength work.

Drum roll . . . . . . . (anyone laughs, I'll swear I'll kiss you full on the mouth in public whenever I meet you . . .)

255 lbs.

I took too long working up to it. Might have gotten a bit more. And I'm sure it was a bit more RDLish than DLish than preferable.

Whoo hoo! Two years and 7 months to add 150 lbs to that! Piece of cake. LOL

[Frank.S]

Originally Posted by RedWifey

I think the reason you get these replies so often is that you take for granted two things: 1)Your youth 2) your genetic gift that allows you to pull these numbers so easily.

I have NO DOUBT that you work hard in the gym...that's obvious to me and to everyone here. It's just that there are others that work as hard as you do, but may never pull that kind of weight. Let's look at it this way:

Frank: genetic gift + hard work = easy deadlifts
RedLefty: genetic gift + hard work = easily hit a baseball 500 ft
Chris C. : genetic gift + hard work = easily breaks stuff

Does that make any sense? I wasn't trying to make fun of your ability, I just wanted to show you that it's different for everyone.

Ive not taken any offense, sorry if i came off that way.

Ill leave it at that because i dont want to get into 'genetic gifts'.

[Frank.S]

Originally Posted by Chris Correia

Feats of strength? You statement stands. And, some folks without gifts make some amazing progress. But gifts aside, is a 405 deadlift as impressive for a 6-0, 220 pound guy as for a 5-5, 150 pound guy? Those numbers are thrown about as if they apply equally to everyone, regardless of their current size, training history, age, or starting point.

9 times out of 10 my money would be on the 5'5 guy look at coan, 900+lbs deadlift at 220.. very short guy.

[Chris Correia]

Originally Posted by Frank.S

Ive not taken any offense, sorry if i came off that way.

Ill leave it at that because i dont want to get into 'genetic gifts'.

Frank, I don't think anyone was taking any offense. Sometimes some of us just cover our "just in case I offended you" bases.

Plus, we've seen your pics. We know you don't have any genetic gifts.:p

[Lost Dog]

I break stuff every day. It's more of genetic curse...

[Chris Correia]

Originally Posted by Frank.S

9 times out of 10 my money would be on the 5'5 guy look at coan, 900+lbs deadlift at 220.. very short guy.

I realized how much less I have to squat/bend than a taller guy. So, I'll have to only do DLs on a box, I guess. But when i do that, the bar is touching my insteps! What a range!

[dmw]

Originally Posted by Frank.S

9 times out of 10 my money would be on the 5'5 guy look at coan, 900+lbs deadlift at 220.. very short guy.

I thought tall guys made better "levers", or am I confusing that with what someone said about me once?

[kmfisher]

I think, for the deadlift, being tall is beneficial. Better leverage. For bench press, dips, etc it is worse because longer levers mean more work to move an equal amount of weigt as a shorter guy.

Still, I thought deadlift is a great overall exercise for most people. I was shocked when I read that Ross has only deadlifted a handful of times. I thought a deadlift was good for athletic performance, too. Guess not?

[Chiron]

Originally Posted by Mahler

Thanks. These guys were beginning to sound like t-maggers doing their one-upsmanship. Good on you if you can pull 405 first time out, but it's not as easy as you seem to think it is. Take a look at the Deadlift chart on this forum. The first five big pulls are by professionals in the industry. The average guy who trains, even religiously, would consider a 405 as not being too shabby an accomplishment and I am one of them.

I apologize if that's how I sounded. I didn't mean it to sound cocky. I don't think Frank did either. We all have our areas where we are stronger or weaker. Like if I went out and ran a mile without training I would be lucky if I could do it in under 8 minutes. Meanwhile someone who's more gifted for endurance could not run for a long time and probably beat that easily. My point was that all of us know Ross trains a lot and he does pay quite a bit of attention to strength training so it shouldn't be hard for that guy who was calling him out to believe he could deadlift 405.

[Frank.S]

Long arms on a short frame would be ideal. The best deadlifters are a range of people, usually around 6 feet tall for conventional pullers, less for sumo pullers.

I dont know so much about that levers stuff. im sure it has some merit, but 95% of people I would guess have pretty average levers. I found that 'thicker' people can deadlift more... but.. they are probally 'thicker' because they can deadlift more

Another thing to look at when it comes to leverage, is the link between deadlift and squat numbers. If the numbers are close, usually the person either good at the squat, or shitty at the deadlift. My squat used to have 80+lbs on my deadlift! Ive gotten them pretty equal now.

Just because one guy doesn't like deadlifts for athletic performance, doesn't mean that its always bad. Look at defranco or others, they do heavy deads / rack pulls / etc for their athletes. Deadlifts are especially great when an athelte is undersized for their sport and need to put on big amount of LBM. Bring up your deadlift 100lbs, if you eat for it, youll be sure to gain LBM.

[Frank.S]