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View Poll Results: Where would you like to have the Fitness Summit 2008
Tahoe sounds great 10 12.99%
Little Rock rocks 43 55.84%
Vegas Baby! 16 20.78%
Other (please explain in the thread if you have another location to suggest) 8 10.39%
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Old 09-24-2007, 10:37 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I am thinking about doing another Fitness Summit in April of 2008 (may need to have my head checked for that one), and want to poll you guys on a couple things.

First, I was thinking about doing it in Lake Tahoe this year. Rooms there for three nights would total about $410 (give or take $50 depending on which facility I choose. Also, these rates are steeply discounted from what you would get on your own). Airfare is going to be roughly $300 (rough estimate... It will be much cheaper if you are coming from the West coast). Estimate about $50 per day for food (overestimating a lot). Registration will be between $200-$250 (depends on event expenses).

Obviously it will be excellent speakers as usual, although I have no one confirmed so far. Your feedback on this poll will help me determine whether or not to pursue this particular plan.

Some reasons Tahoe would be cool:
  • If we do it before April 15th skiing will still be open
  • Great mountain biking
  • Golf courses everywhere
  • Incredible hiking trails
  • Casinos/shows
  • Fun activities for spouse/SO while you are doing the event
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Old 09-24-2007, 11:52 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Tahoe would be sweet as I could turn it into a real vacation and visit my sister in the Sacramento area as well.
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Even in Tahoe, will it attract enough people to break even? It seems like a really expensive route to go. JP, you have resources available in Little Rock, as well as connections with other local business people, that won't be an option in another location.

My vote's for Little Rock. And I'll have to admit that a big part of that is it's close enough for me to drive. I understand that not everyone is that lucky.

But I also have to mention that I like being able to see and use your gym, JP, and it's a great part of the experience to meet at JPF the gym as opposed to JPF the website. You lose that connection if we're set up in some unfamiliar location.
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JP, make it easy on yourself. If turning over all the logistics to a hotel event planner is easier for you, then do it. My only problem with last years Summit was the hotel location. I'd have rented a car if I known it was such a problem to get around. I could stay in a crack house if it means being able to walk to the event and nightlife.
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I'm planning on attending in 08 if a summit is held. LR is my first choice.
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I'm going to go with Little Rock, but with a different idea:

Don't make this a big event. I'm not talking about number of attendees, but the size of the seminar. One speaker. One day. But an event that lasts from Thursday to Sunday.

I'm there for the socializing. Fitness is second.
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I get the vibe that JP wants to get out of town for a few days too. I'm with Nick on the number of speakers idea. Fewer speakers = lower break even point = less stress for JP.
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Vegas seems like it would be cheap. It always seems like people's biggest expense is the airfare &/or hotel. Both those things are cheap in Las Vegas. My $.02
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I was planning for Little Rock as I could possibly drive there (road trip, anyone?). Plus, I want to see firsthand all the places I've heard about. Tahoe would be out of my range. I'm already going to Vegas in October 2008, so no real desire for that. Of course, there's always Charlotte to host the summit
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Interesting.........very interesting.

You could always come over to my neck of the woods :p

If there is a decent/cheap return flight out of houston/New York then Tahoe sounds appealing. I could see vegas getting messy, drink and gambling..... I may not make it home
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I vote for LR!
I liked the comfort of having the gym next to the presentation room.
Then again, do what you feel comfy with, I am coming anyways!

I would love to know dates, too, because I am planning on staying longer!
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I would love to know dates, too, because I am planning on staying longer!
Me too. I think I need at least a week to 10 days in the states (in general not just the summit) to make it economically viable.

I know it's very early doors but a couple of dates would be very handy.

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I'm going to go with Little Rock, but with a different idea:

Don't make this a big event. I'm not talking about number of attendees, but the size of the seminar. One speaker. One day. But an event that lasts from Thursday to Sunday.

I'm there for the socializing. Fitness is second.
Take your point Nick. Although, I enjoyed having many speakers (kept it fresh and I learnt alot). As long as people get in early Thursday and leave mid - late Sunday (even Monday) there's loads of time for socialising.
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Little Rock's fine by me. And I agree with Nick on the scope.
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Not to hijack, but will there be DVD's from the '07 summit?
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Little Rock. If JP can nail down the date early enough, maybe we can get the hotel right across the street. That made it very convenient in past years and we literally walked to everything.
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Little Rock. If JP can nail down the date early enough, maybe we can get the hotel right across the street. That made it very convenient in past years and we literally walked to everything.
I just want a room and cold beer. The best times of the summit are the evenings where everyone is shooting the shit. (and laughing our heads off)
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LR is my first choice, but vegas would be a short drive and tahoe only slightly longer. I'm game for any, really.

I'm with Nick. Get one good presenter for a day and then con some of the up-and-coming-superstar attendees into doing some hands one stuff on the other day.
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well, in an effort to get the train back on the track ,
based on my experience having spent a lot of time in Tahoe, there are a few considerations (in no particular order):

The airport is actually in Reno (only those of you who have private jets can fly into Tahoe). From Reno you have to take a bus up to Tahoe and if your flight is late you may have to stay in reno for a night.

Not sure where in tahoe you would have it; Stateline is probably most convenient and has the most hotels, but they are also the most expensive.

Altitude definately affects some people for the first few days (+7,000 feet) and the headace and lethargy aren't much fun.

Is Los Angeles out of the question? Close to Alwyn (& Chad ?) and lots of reasonable flights and hotels.
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Would be cheaper to go to a bigger city as far as flights and stuff goes. I hope I can come this year, last year it was right in the middle of my finals.
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While I wouln't mind seeing a city that I haven't been to, I like the feel of Little Rock for the Summit. Being an east-coaster, airfare is a little better to LR and hotel prices are real reasonable..... leaves more money for cocktails, beers and bullshitting.
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I'll throw a vote in for Canberra, Australia.
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How specific can we get here?

1) Little Rock
2) Hartman (exercise, biomechanics, prehab/rehab, etc...)
3) Rousell and/or Brad Pilon (nutrition)
4) Lou (whatever the heck he wants)

JP's place gives us the luxury of both a classroom setting and a gym for demonstrations. And we all get to see where the forum got started.

Of course, LR is the only proposed location where we can actually attend, so I may be slightly biased.
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I'd like to hear Alan Aragon on nutrition, and have a couple cold ones with the guy.

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Wherever it is, I'm there. Of course, I can DRIVE to Tahoe, so for sheer convenience, I can't beat that.

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