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Old 08-17-2007, 09:21 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default NSCA TSAC - Tactical Strength and Conditioning Program

I found this today on the NSCA website:

Tactical Strength and Conditioning programs for law enforcement and military personnel

http://www.nsca-lift.org/TSAC/

"The Tactical Strength and Conditioning (TSAC) program’s primary purpose is to develop operational fitness for law enforcement officers. When developing a comprehensive strength and conditioning program, operators must consider the physical demands of operational related activities. [...]

Typically, the tactical athlete devotes time to improving operational skill without much focus on improving operational strength, conditioning, and nutrition. The NSCA’s Tactical Strength and Conditioning program addresses these needs.

By training the operators in the same fashion as professional athletes, the TSAC program offers the same expertise in developing the tactical athlete."
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Old 08-17-2007, 06:52 PM   #2 (permalink)
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sweet.
Kind of wish it was open to the public though, I'd like to see what they've got going on for SWAT personnel.
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Old 08-17-2007, 06:58 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Yeah it would be nice to actually see what they've got programmed or whatever. Oh well...
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Old 08-17-2007, 10:16 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Probably not a lot that you wouldn't find on Cross-fit or Pavel's site, truly.
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Old 08-18-2007, 03:03 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Probably not a lot that you wouldn't find on Cross-fit or Pavel's site, truly.
Kind of what I was thinking. The mil and especially police needs aren't especially unique or strenuous when compared to athletes.
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Old 08-18-2007, 02:55 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Curious, curious, curious.

I know the default training within our system does include exercises and drills that are power and speed oriented, but which are often done way past the point of power and speed, working more on endurance. It seems to me this runs somewhat counter to typical approaches to athletic training, particularly for some martial arts. OTOH, MMA fighting has reemphasized the need for endurance within a longer time frame than some other combative competitions.

After thinking about the above, I chalk it up at least partly to our grandmaster's military and related background, but I don't know for sure how and why he put together the system he did, from where he pulled stuff in and how to do it. All I know is that after a lifetime of training, he can sure endure, but he is also very powerful, explosive and fast, perhaps due to genetics as much as anything.

So, I wonder to what degree this tactical orientation would focus on strength needs, but also on certain elements of muscular endurance, if not cardiovascular endurance? Different than, say, typical athletic training.

EDIT: Gee it helps to actually go there and read stuff. It explains a bit. Not very endurance oriented, it seems.
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As a rule you tend to see those kinds of systems focusing on blending the qualities, like you mentioned, and the rationale for it at least is good: in any real-life scenario, which is inherently unpredictable and therefore not something you can train or practice for specifically, you need to have a well-rounded development.

This means a "jack of all trades, master of none" philosophy. To bring up any one of those qualities in isolation, you'd tend to train them at least in separate sessions and/or separate days, if not in separate phases entirely. But MMA fighting and tactical-type training always tend to lean towards combining them, and with the specific goal in mind I can't really argue that it's a bad idea.

It won't make you the "best" at anything, but then again that's not the idea.
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I was watching Detroit SWAT and there was one episode that showed their PT test. They had to do 50 push ups, 20 pull ups, 50 sit ups, and run 3 miles. That's all they showed, I guess there also would've been an obstacle course or something.

Anyway, just thought I'd share..
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Got this today in the NSCA News e-mail:

"The newest NSCA publication, Tactical Strength and Conditioning Report [...] is designed to disseminate peer reviewed information specifically targeted to the training of the tactical athlete. The TSAC Report will be published monthly."

Here is the first issue:

http://www.nsca-lift.org/TSAC/TSAC_Report_2007-09.pdf
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The publication doesn't seem to have anything different than what we already prescribe athletes or advanced trainees. I wouldn't be surprised if this is a tool for the NSCA to distinguish itself or add marketability to its orgainzation.

In simple terms, its a business move.
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Three questions:

1. No Deadlifts?

2. No unilateral leg work?

3. Curls/Tri-extensions?
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Three questions:

1. No Deadlifts?

2. No unilateral leg work?

3. Curls/Tri-extensions?
Its all about a process of learning. Things will slowly change as we are seeing in our own little slice of the internet. In the months or years ahead we will see a shift towards big basic compound movements and speed training for these types of athletes as well as the lay person for bodycomp goals.

Just got to wait it out.
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Old 09-22-2007, 01:38 AM   #13 (permalink)
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I got the original product mentioned in the thread. It's OK. It's not really do-able for most people because it's very time demanding. With a little bit of creativity, most could come up with something pretty equal or better if you want to train 2-3hrs a day.
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