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Old 06-01-2007, 10:23 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I'm quite interested in the products they offer but was wondering if they would be any good. Opinions?

Their respective websites are:
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Old 06-01-2007, 11:38 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I find that stuff unnecessary. The whole "postural" thing seems like a new fad to me. Lifting adequate weight regularly and with correct form will correct your posture, unless you have some type of health problem or are too stubborn to sit up correctly.

Like a father would tell you, "Don't slouch".
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Old 06-01-2007, 11:50 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I find that stuff unnecessary. The whole "postural" thing seems like a new fad to me. Lifting adequate weight regularly and with correct form will correct your posture, unless you have some type of health problem or are too stubborn to sit up correctly.

Like a father would tell you, "Don't slouch".
Well, it was in one of the "you can't prove it" articles, however, given that Mike Robertson and Bill Hartman have decades of training experience between them, Mike picked up the baton from another, they subscribe to the idea so I think we should at least investigate the idea.

Still, I think no device works better than iron on a steel bar used properly in a balanced fashion.
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Old 06-02-2007, 12:06 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Well, it was in one of the "you can't prove it" articles, however, given that Mike Robertson and Bill Hartman have decades of training experience between them, Mike picked up the baton from another, they subscribe to the idea so I think we should at least investigate the idea.
I agree; however-you do not need any fancy things to get you where you should be, posture-wise. A good posture distributes weight across your body's framework, and a proportionate erect posture optimizes breathing and positively helps the circulation of bodily fluids. Thus, having an erect posture would be best for body structure and your proportion.

In order to get a correct, erect posture, it involves spreading the spine until the lower back curves inside, and at the same time, the chest should be held high without straining any breathing. The position of the head stays optimum and the chin is kept parallel to the ground. While standing (a.k.a. erect posture) the shoulders should be very straight and pulled back. This maintains proportion and balance of the body.

The best structural aligment of the body involves a back that is symmetric and straight in the coronal plane (the plane that is parallel to the surface of the face). A normal back has a S curve in the saggital plane (the plane where the brain is divided in half).

Learn to use that posture-such a posture leads to a well balanced body. Not only that, once that becomes second-nature, you will begin to look more confident (women will notice you're not walking with a slouch or anything), and if that helps you score in the bed, then go for it.
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Old 06-02-2007, 12:14 AM   #5 (permalink)
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I met Evan Oscar last year... His materials look exhaustively detailed and very well illustrated. I don't know that he was cast in any particular mold in terms of training philosophy, but I confess I have not done more than scan his materials. He certainly put a LOT of work toward them. Not that that makes them good on its own, but he seemed pretty familiar with a lot of the same trainers I admire (Cosgrove, Hartman, et al).

He puts on a lot of educational seminars, which I will probably find myself attending at some point. I don't even hold it against him that he's a chiropractor (and that's a stretch for me). It doesn't hurt matters that his wife really attractive, and very effective at marketing his material.
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I would highly recommend Evan Osar's stuff. I have his Form and Function book and the complete hip one. Both are really top notch and dive pretty deep into lots of awesome topics.

I saw him speak last year in Chicago and it was great. Also listening to the guy speak were Bill Hartman, Tony Reynolds, Craig Ballentyne, and Brian Grasso (Brian thinks so highly of his stuff that he gave me copies of his books and made me read them...he used to do it will all IYCA coaches, not sure if thats still true). So not only are his products great, but other really smart people think he is worth listening too and thats enough for me.

Fulmen - I used to think similar until I started working with the majority of the population. Most are so deconditioned and imbalanced that it takes quite a bit of work simply getting them to a position where lifting heavy is possible. I do agree with you that it is over-emphasised often times now, but having a good backround in proper muscle balance and structure and having a ton of exercises not just to correct it but to tie the systems together can be of huge help.

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Most are so deconditioned and imbalanced that it takes quite a bit of work simply getting them to a position where lifting heavy is possible. I do agree with you that it is over-emphasised often times now, but having a good backround in proper muscle balance and structure and having a ton of exercises not just to correct it but to tie the systems together can be of huge help.
I completely agree; however, I try to ignore the general population when it comes to fitness matters (which may sound elitist but that's the way I am).
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I completely agree; however, I try to ignore the general population when it comes to fitness matters (which may sound elitist but that's the way I am).
I totally understand that. I actually really enjoy working with them, but I can see where it could be frustrating as hell. Plus, the general population is what pays my rent, so I can't complain too much.

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I completely agree; however, I try to ignore the general population when it comes to fitness matters (which may sound elitist but that's the way I am).
So what do you do if - say - one of your elite clients fails on a "thomas test" on one leg? Do you have him attempt a max dead lift? Do you make him push through and perform box jumps?

I train a little of both (general public and athletes), and my experience is that the athletes are sometimes more imbalanced than the non-athletes, and because they have such great skills or talent, they do a lot better job of compensating to get the desired result.

And ignoring postural problems is frankly doing your clients a great disservice. If someone has kyphosis in their upper back are you going to ignore it and have them do a lot of overhead work because you think all that "posture stuff" is just a fad?

Not trying to pick on you... This is a pretty interesting topic and worth exploring I think.
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Old 06-02-2007, 11:42 PM   #10 (permalink)
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So what do you do if - say - one of your elite clients fails on a "thomas test" on one leg? Do you have him attempt a max dead lift? Do you make him push through and perform box jumps?
Of course not. I would tell him to get up from sitting at any chance he gets, and have him do some lunges and other gluteus exercise, as well as some hip flexor stretching.

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And ignoring postural problems is frankly doing your clients a great disservice. If someone has kyphosis in their upper back are you going to ignore it and have them do a lot of overhead work because you think all that "posture stuff" is just a fad?
Depending on who is suffering from it, I would make them do abdominal and other exercises relating to the kyphosis. I understand the point you are trying to make, and I won't call it a fad anymore-rather, I will go read more up on it and educate myself about it; then, I will make conclusions.
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Old 06-03-2007, 05:40 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Evan Oscar has placed a lot of effort into his material but I have not read it. I am not interested in his stuff content wise but I like his effort.

Perhaps Ryan Lee could explain what he did with his clients and posture.
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