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Old 05-30-2007, 11:19 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hey everybody, I'm a newcomer here. Well, not really, I've been lurking around since god knows when. Suddenly I said what the heck?! Join and say hey. Anyways...A little more about myself. I'm 18 years old. I've been lifting regularly last year using Ian King's "Book of Muscle". I got up to 150 lbs. Since summer 2006 I stopped lifting weights (Don't know why!). Anyways, I've got my final exams in a week and I can't afford to lose a mark. So, I'll probably start training again after my exams. However, I want to do it a bit differently this time. I want to train like a powerlifter. I know it sounds wierd but when I see them I say "Damn, those guys can really move big weights." Also, if I can keep my nutrition in check (I upgraded my PN to V2.0) I don't think I'm going to be as fat as people see them. I say they get fat because they probably need to be at a certain weight class. I don't, I don't have to get fat. I can get strong, get big, all the while doing my best to stay lean. However, my question is...Where can I find information to set on my way to start powerlifting? Look around at eliteFTS? Cressey? Rippetoe?
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Old 05-30-2007, 11:41 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Welcome Mofosu

There are plenty of people on here doing powerlifting type workouts, just check out the training log forum.
Currently I am doing Westside for Skinny Bastards,a Joe Defranco program
its probably a good place to start.
Westside for Skinny Bastards over at T-Nation
Westside for Skinny Bastards, Part II
and check out Joe Defranco's site, especially the ask Joe section.
Im sure others will have more options also
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Old 05-31-2007, 12:08 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Thanks, I've checked out those articles, too. I've looked over Dave Tate's stuff. And I think he briefly mentioned that he wrote http://www.flexcart.com/members/elit...lt.asp?cid=207 some of these. Are they worth it? (I'm not going to get them ALL of course...If I'm get any).
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Old 05-31-2007, 01:39 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Practical Programming

Sometimes the quickest way to the end isn't a strait line. The first priority you have is building a solid foundation of knowledge and training. The book I linked is going to be the best $20 you EVER spend concerning resistance training. Don't get locked in to thinking that you need to do a lot of special things to make your lifts improve. At this point you're not specializing in anything, all you need to do is get stronger.
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Old 05-31-2007, 08:39 AM   #5 (permalink)
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I agree with Gobbla, a Rippetoe program is what you need before something like westside. Pick up Starting Strength as well. For $45 these two books will give you years of training.
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Old 05-31-2007, 10:03 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Well...good for me then. My cousin (I think of him as a best friend instead of a relative) gave it to me on my graduation day. I read through them. I like what he (Rippetoe) said. I'm going to use the program design from "Practical..." and try to keep my form down using "Starting...". All the while using Berardi's PN V2.0 to keep my diet in check. Does that sound good? (I think it does).
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I'm going to echo gobbla and Jason, Rippetoe is the way to start. The 5x5 full body style will help you learn the lifts and add a lot of weight to the bar before you need to complicate things. In the mean time you should read everything over at elitefts because it will help. Just remember that most of what they preach is to intermediate to advanced lifters. Also you are absolutely right to think that you can get strong without getting fat, the fat powerlifter stereotype mostly comes from the superheavies anyway.
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edit to say: it does sound good
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Old 05-31-2007, 10:56 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Thanks guys. Also, can you guys tell me the difference between powerlifting and olympic lifting and strongman? Training-wise. Thanks.
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powerlifting competes in 3 lifts, the deadlift, squat and bench press.
Olympic competes in the Clean and jerk and the snatch
Strongman, thats crazy, im not too inn on that, but they do stuff like lift rocks, clean and press logs, farmers walk.. etc. Try to google it.
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Old 05-31-2007, 11:16 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Training wise powerlifting and olympic lifting are very specific to the competitive lifts, where as strongman because there are so many event has to train for anaerobic conditioning, max strength and skill in many different events. If you have practical programing towards the end some programs are outlined for all 3 with a fairly detailed explaination on the differences in training.
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Thanks guys. Also, can you guys tell me the difference between powerlifting and olympic lifting and strongman? Training-wise. Thanks.
That's a huge question, the answer could fill a book easily. I'll give some basics.

First off, the 3 sports require different physical strength capacities. Powerlifting requires one-time absolute maximal (brute) strength. Oly lifting requires exceptional technique and great power and quickness, but in a one-time maximal effort fashion. Strongman is more of a strength endurance sport, where great strength (but not necessarily maximal strength) must be displayed for greater lengths of time (or more repititions). So those are the qualities that must be trained for each sport.

Powerlifting is first best trained by learning the 3 lifts and practicing them frequently, while using other assistance lifts for building work capacity and muscle hypertrophy, as well as bringing up weaknesses in the critical muscles for the 3 lifts. As a lifter progresses and becomes more proficient, technique work on the actual 3 lifts becomes less important, and other similar lifts must be incorporated to avoid burnout and target weaknesses (aka westside training).

Oly lifting is similar in that you must start with just training the actual lifts and using assistance exercises for hypertrophy and critical muscle targeting. However, unlike powerlifting, technique work becomes more critical as a lifter progresses, and assistance work becomes less important. The oly lifts are extremely technique dependent, form must be perfect, elite level lifters will train the core lifts up to several times a day. While they are taxing on the CNS and must be performed while fresh to maximize to form work, they are not as stressful on the muscle-tendon system as the powerlifts because lighter loads are used, but stress must still be managed well.

Strongman training has the wild card of using a seemingly endless number of events and often times the events a competition will use are not determined until very close to date of the comp. So first off you must train the qualities that most of these events use, which is usually strength endurance. Maximal strength and speed can come into play as well. You also have to consider that plain ol' barbells and dumbbells are rarely used in these events, odd objects are most common. This taxing muscles (particularly gripping muscles) in ways that can't be done in the gym. Good old normal strength training is very important, but volume is usually lower than with powerlifting or oly lifting because days of actually practicing the events must be accounted for. You have the basics of stones, log presses, farmer's walks, tire flips, and usually a medley of some kind. You can usually bet at least 2-3 of these, so these must be specifically trained. If you don't know what other events will be held, it's best to just practice different events each week on your event training day, events that have a big carryover. Basically anything with odd objects that your push, drag, hold, carry, flip, etc. for time or reps.


Hopefully this sort of answers your questions. There are a lot of people on this board that can add to this, I'm sure I screwed some things up.
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Old 05-31-2007, 11:57 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions. I'll start off by building strength and size using the Starting Strength program for a few months and start measuring my results as Mark described in the book and how to continue if progress comes to a halt. After I've built a good base I'll start and think which type of specialized workouts I want to go on. Powerlifting, olympic lifting or strongman. Thanks guys.
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Nothing to add except a welcome to the forums.
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