It's a good interview so I thought I'd post it, plus I have a question. Mark Rippetoe might be the only one who can answer this, but I'll give it a shot here. Near the end of the interview he says two things that, to me, contradict each other.
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MR: I started officially doing CrossFit in January 2006 because we were doing elements of it already. We just didn’t have it organized like they did. CrossFit works for a whole bunch of people. It’s not going to work for powerlifters, Olympic lifters, or people who need to be very specialized metabolically. But that’s not what it’s for. It can be for guys like me who are through with that stuff and are looking for a way to stay in shape, have fun with their training, and challenge themselves. They can be competitive with themselves and their buddies.
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What you’ll find is that CrossFit is very good for many people, but it’s not good for competitive lifters because you need to get specialized. The more specialized the metabolic requirements of your sport become the less applicable CrossFit becomes because it is a very general approach. However, this leaves a whole bunch of people in a position to benefit from CrossFit. Looking at the metabolic demands of soccer, CrossFit might be great for soccer. For other types of sports like football, it wouldn’t be so great. It works great for recreational athletes to improve their general condition. The bottom line is that it is very useful for many people. It has been a great thing here at the gym to keep many people interested and motivated.
I should mention another benefit of CrossFit. What other organized activity is there to do that could get people to do the Olympic lifts? There are now more people doing the Olympic lifts in the U.S. than at any other time in history because of CrossFit and Greg Glassman in Santa Cruz, California. He hasn’t received the credit he deserves for this.
Finally, here is a way to get people doing the lifts. That doesn’t mean there are more competitive Olympic lifters yet because CrossFit primarily uses the lifts for conditioning. I’ll tell you what though. CrossFit is planning to put an Olympic lifting team together, and because there are enough good athletes doing CrossFit, they may be about to stomp everyone’s asses. There are also more people coaching the Olympic lifts through CrossFit than there have been in the past. CrossFit is the best friend Olympic lifting has had since Bob Hoffman. Hopefully, the powers that be will realize that soon.
First he says that CrossFit won't work for olympic lifters, but then he says that they're putting an olympic lifting team together!
Will that team only use CrossFit for conditioning? Did I miss something?
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-Dave Tate
I think he means that it attacts great athletes who have potential to be very good olympic lifters with focused training, but crossfit by itself is not a training plan meant for olympic lifters.
-Ned
I think he means that it attacts great athletes who have potential to be very good olympic lifters with focused training, but crossfit by itself is not a training plan meant for olympic lifters.
-Ned
That's how I read it too. CrossFit has introduced people to Olympic lifting that would not have otherwise tried it. My guess would be that their Olympic lifting team will not do standard CrossFit workouts either, but will draw their participants from CrossFit aficionados and then start training them for Olympic lifting competitions with a more standard approach.
JUST AS MIKE BURGENER FINDS OLY LIFT TALENT FROM HIS HIGH SCHOOL P.E. CLASSES.....
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Robert dos Remedios, MA, CSCS,
HCC (Hartman-Cosgrove Certified)
Director of Speed, Strength & Conditioning
College of the Canyons, CA http://www.canyons.edu/departments/pe/strength
"NO CHAMPION HAS EVER ACHIEVED HIS OR HER GOAL WITHOUT SHOWING MORE DEDICATION THAN THE NEXT PERSON; MAKING MORE SACRIFICES THAN THE NEXT PERSON; WORKING HARDER, TRAINING, AND CONDITIONING HIM / HERSELF MORE THAN THE NEXT PERSON; ENJOYING HIS / HER FINAL GOAL MORE THAN THE NEXT PERSON"
Oh, ok. I get it. I knew I had to be missing something, thanks guys.
dos - I have no idea what to make of that. Why are you yelling at me?
I googled Mike Burgener because I didn't know who he is, turns out he's a coach who I guess specializes in olympic lifts. So what you're saying is, Mike finds good olympic lifters in a class he teaches just as Mark R. would find good olympic lifters as he teaches CrossFit techniques?
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And major action will certainly make you feel a bit uncomfortable, which is absolutely fine. You've gotta get excited about feeling uncomfortable, you've gotta love feeling slightly uncomfortable, because you know that you're stepping outside the boundaries that you used to create.
Zach Even-Esh
I've made some huge mistakes, but they were necessary, because without them I wouldn't have learned anything.
-Dave Tate
Matthew, wow...didn't realize the power of accidently leaving the caps lock on. Hmmm, another cyberspace lesson learned I guess.
Actually Mike is one of the most popular USA weightlifting coaces in the country and he teaches H.S. Pe....he finds a lot of his talent via his classes where they all learn the Oly lifts. Good athletes tend to have a better chance at becoming solid Oly lifters.
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Robert dos Remedios, MA, CSCS,
HCC (Hartman-Cosgrove Certified)
Director of Speed, Strength & Conditioning
College of the Canyons, CA http://www.canyons.edu/departments/pe/strength
"NO CHAMPION HAS EVER ACHIEVED HIS OR HER GOAL WITHOUT SHOWING MORE DEDICATION THAN THE NEXT PERSON; MAKING MORE SACRIFICES THAN THE NEXT PERSON; WORKING HARDER, TRAINING, AND CONDITIONING HIM / HERSELF MORE THAN THE NEXT PERSON; ENJOYING HIS / HER FINAL GOAL MORE THAN THE NEXT PERSON"
CrossFit aside, this is a great article. I like the band set-up for assisted chin-ups. I really, really liked the discussion of how he progresses new clients and the discussion of what's happening if the knees cave in during a squat.
When I read something from Mark Rippetoe, I often have to read it twice to make sure I got it. It's like reading Bill Hartman's writing. And this particular subject inspired me to go back and re-read what Bill had to say about Rippetoe's Starting Strength and the knees caving in. I think this is an interesting topic.
Anyone see the latest Burgener coaching clips up at CF? What's up with that bootcamp "yes sir" shit?
Didn't know they had a militia brewing up there
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No worries, dos. I was just confused for a minute if I had said something to set you off. But accidents do happen.
Lisa, I'm with you on the multiple readings. I'm at the point now where I print off articles I like and go over it with a few different coloured hilighters. I keep a binder especially for articles off the net, organized by source, and whenever I have something on my mind I go to it and find the related article. I can't tell you how many times I've read over Eric Cressey's Deadlift Diagnosis, for one example.
I'm glad you guys liked it, I wasn't sure if I'd be the only one new to some of the things mentioned in the article.
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And major action will certainly make you feel a bit uncomfortable, which is absolutely fine. You've gotta get excited about feeling uncomfortable, you've gotta love feeling slightly uncomfortable, because you know that you're stepping outside the boundaries that you used to create.
Zach Even-Esh
I've made some huge mistakes, but they were necessary, because without them I wouldn't have learned anything.
-Dave Tate
Actually Mike is one of the most popular USA weightlifting coaces in the country and he teaches H.S. Pe....he finds a lot of his talent via his classes where they all learn the Oly lifts.
or he raises them himself - his son & daughter are very good in their age groups
First he says that CrossFit won't work for olympic lifters, but then he says that they're putting an olympic lifting team together!
Will that team only use CrossFit for conditioning? Did I miss something?
didn't he answer the why here ...
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What you’ll find is that CrossFit is very good for many people, but it’s not good for competitive lifters because you need to get specialized. The more specialized the metabolic requirements of your sport become the less applicable CrossFit becomes because it is a very general approach. However, this leaves a whole bunch of people in a position to benefit from CrossFit. Looking at the metabolic demands of soccer, CrossFit might be great for soccer. For other types of sports like football, it wouldn’t be so great. It works great for recreational athletes to improve their general condition. The bottom line is that it is very useful for many people. It has been a great thing here at the gym to keep many people interested and motivated
then he says this:
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I should mention another benefit of CrossFit. What other organized activity is there to do that could get people to do the Olympic lifts? There are now more people doing the Olympic lifts in the U.S. than at any other time in history because of CrossFit and Greg Glassman in Santa Cruz, California. He hasn’t received the credit he deserves for this.
Finally, here is a way to get people doing the lifts. That doesn’t mean there are more competitive Olympic lifters yet because CrossFit primarily uses the lifts for conditioning. I’ll tell you what though. CrossFit is planning to put an Olympic lifting team together, and because there are enough good athletes doing CrossFit, they may be about to stomp everyone’s asses. There are also more people coaching the Olympic lifts through CrossFit than there have been in the past. CrossFit is the best friend Olympic lifting has had since Bob Hoffman. Hopefully, the powers that be will realize that soon
I know Rippetoe well and often talk on the phone with him. If you would like Id be more than happy to ask him to stop by and clear the air on his comments.
However on the situation with Crossfit starting an olympic lifting team.. all I can say is good luck to them on that. They will probably produce some pretty decent lifters.
I understand what he meant now, no need to clear the air.
Having said that, if you want to send him our way anyway I'm sure no one would have any objections.
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And major action will certainly make you feel a bit uncomfortable, which is absolutely fine. You've gotta get excited about feeling uncomfortable, you've gotta love feeling slightly uncomfortable, because you know that you're stepping outside the boundaries that you used to create.
Zach Even-Esh
I've made some huge mistakes, but they were necessary, because without them I wouldn't have learned anything.
-Dave Tate
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