Shoulder Training in Muscle Revolution? - JP Fitness Forums

Elliott · 01-12-2007, 12:46 AM

My copy of Muscle Revolution arrived yesterday, and this morning I completed my first day of ABBH. The ABBH routine is different from any workout I've done before, and I'm looking forward to finishing the program.

But, it appears that ABBH does not prescribe any shoulder training. Am I really supposed to go 46 days without even a single shoulder press, upright row, or lateral raise? I admit that I have not yet finished reading the entire book, but I have not seen any chapter that addresses the lack of shoulder work.

I am interested to know what others are doing for their shoulders in ABBH. Are you guys doing shoulder work anyway? Or are you really going 1.5 months relying on only benches, dips, and deadlifts to keep your shoulders in form?

El tío Saín · 01-12-2007, 02:51 AM

I always include an overhead press -Military, Push Press, Clean & press... whatever-, but I´m also starting ABBH and I´m not worried about that issue. It won´t take long and you´ll be incorporating shoulder direct work in the next program you do.

Anyway, it´s supposed to be 23 days long, isn´t it? And then you switch to next program.

tasinquefield · 01-12-2007, 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Elliott

My copy of Muscle Revolution arrived yesterday, and this morning I completed my first day of ABBH. The ABBH routine is different from any workout I've done before, and I'm looking forward to finishing the program.

But, it appears that ABBH does not prescribe any shoulder training. Am I really supposed to go 46 days without even a single shoulder press, upright row, or lateral raise? I admit that I have not yet finished reading the entire book, but I have not seen any chapter that addresses the lack of shoulder work.

I am interested to know what others are doing for their shoulders in ABBH. Are you guys doing shoulder work anyway? Or are you really going 1.5 months relying on only benches, dips, and deadlifts to keep your shoulders in form?

Yes. Do the workout as prescribed - your shoulders will get enough work from the other exercises that you won't need direct shoulder work. Just being you aren't going any actual shoulder exercises doesn't mean they aren't getting a workout. Chad's a pro - he knows what he is doing.

jvernacchio · 01-12-2007, 08:07 AM

If your doing any kind of bench, row, pull ups, your shoulders are involved more then you think. Considering shoulders are the number 1 injury issue among lifters giving them a break now and then is a really smart way to train.

steelerfan · 01-12-2007, 09:24 AM

As the others have said your shoulders get a good deal of work from other pressing excercises. If I had to add anything it would be some external rotation stuff must people don't do enough of that anyhow..

Elliott · 01-12-2007, 11:10 AM

Ok, I will refrain from doing direct shoulder work. Thanks for all the advice!

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Originally Posted by El tío Saín

Anyway, it´s supposed to be 23 days long, isn´t it? And then you switch to next program.

The program prescribes working out every other day. 23 workout days + 23 rest days = 46 days. Thats how I calculated 46 days without shoulder exercises.

El tío Saín · 01-12-2007, 12:05 PM

Hi! As I understand it from the book, those 23 days take into account rest days; so we have Day 1 (80% of 1RM), rest, Day 3 (60% of 1RM), rest, Day 5 (60% of 1RM), rest...

The original routine in T-Nation is longer, but what I understand from the book is that every program in the sequence is meant to be made in about 1 month each one (pg. 193). We´de finish with Day 23 (80% of 1RM) and 10x5.

Maybe I didn´t understand what Chad recommends or it´s just that you are following the guidelines from the article and not from the book.

Newlife · 01-12-2007, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by El tío Saín

Hi! As I understand it from the book, those 23 days take into account rest days; so we have Day 1 (80% of 1RM), rest, Day 3 (60% of 1RM), rest, Day 5 (60% of 1RM), rest...

The original routine in T-Nation is longer, but what I understand from the book is that every program in the sequence is meant to be made in about 1 month each one (pg. 193). We´de finish with Day 23 (80% of 1RM) and 10x5.

Maybe I didn´t understand what Chad recommends or it´s just that you are following the guidelines from the article and not from the book.

Correct. The program is 23 days long, and your shoulders will thank you when you are done. I assume your goal was Mass or Mass & Strength based on the fact you picked ABBH. If thats the case, your next programs would be TTT or SFM. Both of these have direct shoulder work involved.

Best of luck.

Chad Waterbury · 01-13-2007, 06:01 PM

As some have mentioned, ABBH is 23 days long (it just fit better that way in the year-long plans). Plus, it's always good to switch things up every 3-4 weeks.

As for the shoulders: trust me, you'll get plenty of shoulder work in any of my programs, even if it doesn't appear that way in the exercise descriptions. It's not a good idea to perform direct shoulder work in addition to the pressing/puling volumes that I prescribe in my programs.

5 years from now, your shoulders will thank me.