I think the only experts should be the people that have their quotes in a member sig line! ; - )
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Robert dos Remedios, MA, CSCS,
HCC (Hartman-Cosgrove Certified)
Director of Speed, Strength & Conditioning
College of the Canyons, CA http://www.canyons.edu/departments/pe/strength
"NO CHAMPION HAS EVER ACHIEVED HIS OR HER GOAL WITHOUT SHOWING MORE DEDICATION THAN THE NEXT PERSON; MAKING MORE SACRIFICES THAN THE NEXT PERSON; WORKING HARDER, TRAINING, AND CONDITIONING HIM / HERSELF MORE THAN THE NEXT PERSON; ENJOYING HIS / HER FINAL GOAL MORE THAN THE NEXT PERSON"
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Robert dos Remedios, MA, CSCS,
HCC (Hartman-Cosgrove Certified)
Director of Speed, Strength & Conditioning
College of the Canyons, CA http://www.canyons.edu/departments/pe/strength
"NO CHAMPION HAS EVER ACHIEVED HIS OR HER GOAL WITHOUT SHOWING MORE DEDICATION THAN THE NEXT PERSON; MAKING MORE SACRIFICES THAN THE NEXT PERSON; WORKING HARDER, TRAINING, AND CONDITIONING HIM / HERSELF MORE THAN THE NEXT PERSON; ENJOYING HIS / HER FINAL GOAL MORE THAN THE NEXT PERSON"
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And major action will certainly make you feel a bit uncomfortable, which is absolutely fine. You've gotta get excited about feeling uncomfortable, you've gotta love feeling slightly uncomfortable, because you know that you're stepping outside the boundaries that you used to create.
Zach Even-Esh
I've made some huge mistakes, but they were necessary, because without them I wouldn't have learned anything.
-Dave Tate
Do we go to your house in our sweaty gym kit to collect the free rope?
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Regret for the things we did can be tempered by time; it is regret for the things we did not do that is inconsolable. -- Sidney J. Harris
I have full respect for the experts on this Forum. It's just funny to see how much this place has changed lately, and the direction we are heading.
It seems like it's all about titles now. Remember the day when nobody cared who you were, or how big your package was...
It's like we went to Fitness Hollywood or something!
Yea I have noticed too but I dont mind it that much. I still have control over the mouse and what I read. Most of the experts offer decent advice. I wont really mind it untill they start telling everyone that the answer to their question can be found in their new book for only $49.95 and that is all that they say. It does seem though that there are 2 levels to this sight now. Those who are here to sell things and the normal guys who say "hey I read this book and it said do that to get better" I just wonder if it will reach a point where the expert says "I'm still selling that book quit giving away the contents for free." Then I think that we will have a real problem.
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Not a big deal to me as it's only a title. I figure if you read the boards enough you will begin to figure out for yourself who the "fitness experts" are even if they don't have an official title.
The reality is, there is to many 'experts' out there for such a simple industry. Eat well, sleep/rest, train hard and 99% of people are going to get results they want.
What makes an expert anyway? I could write a book, I could get _____ certification, I could make a website.... But the book could suck, I could have cheated my my test and stolen pages off of other websites. Bam im an expert.
In all honesty, I don't even look at the titles. Like allenkt said, you'll learn who the experts are by reading their posts. Actually I generally don't even use the word expert, in the forums or offline. Certain people in here are ridiculously smart/knowledgeable, but I associate that with their screen name, not the words underneath it.
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And major action will certainly make you feel a bit uncomfortable, which is absolutely fine. You've gotta get excited about feeling uncomfortable, you've gotta love feeling slightly uncomfortable, because you know that you're stepping outside the boundaries that you used to create.
Zach Even-Esh
I've made some huge mistakes, but they were necessary, because without them I wouldn't have learned anything.
-Dave Tate
The reality is, there is to many 'experts' out there for such a simple industry. Eat well, sleep/rest, train hard and 99% of people are going to get results they want.
What makes an expert anyway? I could write a book, I could get _____ certification, I could make a website.... But the book could suck, I could have cheated my my test and stolen pages off of other websites. Bam im an expert.
I wasn't going to respond to this post, but it rubbed me the wrong way and I'd like to respond to your generalizations.
First of all, if all it took was eating well, training hard and having adequate sleep/rest, than ALL of US would be huge and in great shape. But judging by your statement, I can tell you that there are MANY variables that go into helping transform people. REAL trainers will tell you that... That statement alone told me alot.
What makes an expert? Firstly, you need to have great writing skills to put out a book, maybe a degree (I don't know many people that have cheated through college). You need to find a niche or target market and you need to get it peer reviewed.
Sure you can get a certification, but again, you need some good academic skills to study and write case studies in a test's alotted time. Can you cheat? Good certifcations are procotered and have high standards.
You're right anyone can get a certifcation. But good trainers stay in the buisiness because they produce results. Trust me..I have fired more "fitness professionals & experts" than I have hired because they all talk and don't walk.
Make a website...Hmmm..I kinda agree with you on that...I am no webmaster/HTML expert...but my website gets over 1000 hits a week and it doesn't make me an expert, but it makes me a trusted resource. And that is fine wih me. Are there alot of crap fitness websites? Yes. Does everyone claim to be an expert if they have a website? No.
JP gives titles to people he sees have provided good, solid material for this forum. Of all the poeple I have met on this forum with "the title" I have heard of before...maybe if your not in the industry (at least on this end- meaning being paid), they would all seem like strangers too.
Frank...just chill. Open up those arms little bit and let us in. Don't be so closed up...:p
The reality is, there is to many 'experts' out there for such a simple industry. Eat well, sleep/rest, train hard and 99% of people are going to get results they want.
I counldn't agree more! And even some Fitness Experts agree on this.
I wasn't going to respond to this post, but it rubbed me the wrong way and I'd like to respond to your generalizations.
First of all, if all it took was eating well, training hard and having adequate sleep/rest, than ALL of US would be huge and in great shape. But judging by your statement, I can tell you that there are MANY variables that go into helping transform people. REAL trainers will tell you that... That statement alone told me alot.
What makes an expert? Firstly, you need to have great writing skills to put out a book, maybe a degree (I don't know many people that have cheated through college). You need to find a niche or target market and you need to get it peer reviewed.
Sure you can get a certification, but again, you need some good academic skills to study and write case studies in a test's alotted time. Can you cheat? Good certifcations are procotered and have high standards.
You're right anyone can get a certifcation. But good trainers stay in the buisiness because they produce results. Trust me..I have fired more "fitness professionals & experts" than I have hired because they all talk and don't walk.
Make a website...Hmmm..I kinda agree with you on that...I am no webmaster/HTML expert...but my website gets over 1000 hits a week and it doesn't make me an expert, but it makes me a trusted resource. And that is fine wih me. Are there alot of crap fitness websites? Yes. Does everyone claim to be an expert if they have a website? No.
JP gives titles to people he sees have provided good, solid material for this forum. Of all the poeple I have met on this forum with "the title" I have heard of before...maybe if your not in the industry (at least on this end- meaning being paid), they would all seem like strangers too.
Frank...just chill. Open up those arms little bit and let us in. Don't be so closed up...:p
First of all, if all it took was eating well, training hard and having adequate sleep/rest, than ALL of US would be huge and in great shape.
Exactly. Well maybe not huge, but great shape yes. Im sorry, I dont buy that there are all these crazy variables that inhibit people from getting in great shape when training hard, eating right, and resting wont get them there. People do not eat right, people do not train hard/smart, people do not rest enough, thats why all of us arnt in great shape. Those who are in great shape eat right, train hard and rest.
Time for me to go to t mag and read "tickets to the gun show"......sigh.
I wasn't going to respond to this post, but it rubbed me the wrong way and I'd like to respond to your generalizations.
First of all, if all it took was eating well, training hard and having adequate sleep/rest, than ALL of US would be huge and in great shape. But judging by your statement, I can tell you that there are MANY variables that go into helping transform people. REAL trainers will tell you that... That statement alone told me alot.
If you think everyone on here is getting enough nutrition, rest and is training hard your wrong. Those that are probally are getting the results they expect. There are not many variables, its a lifestyle change. If there was so many variables people would not be able to switch to this lifestyle.
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Originally Posted by John Izzo
What makes an expert? Firstly, you need to have great writing skills to put out a book, maybe a degree (I don't know many people that have cheated through college). You need to find a niche or target market and you need to get it peer reviewed.
Sure you can get a certification, but again, you need some good academic skills to study and write case studies in a test's alotted time. Can you cheat? Good certifcations are procotered and have high standards.
You're right anyone can get a certifcation. But good trainers stay in the buisiness because they produce results. Trust me..I have fired more "fitness professionals & experts" than I have hired because they all talk and don't walk.
If I took 4 more courses, it have a kinesiology degree. What do I know? Let me see; keep the dietary fats low and eat 12 serving of grains per day, why endurance cardio is so great for you, and why eating more the __ protien per day is going to kill you. Degrees are easy to obtain, same with certificates, hell next year ill have a double major @ 20 and im the biggest slacker youll ever find (I have a final tomorrow and im typing this! hah). Its not about cheating, 90% of school is memorizing things, if you are good at this, youll get 90% of the marks. Thats a 4.0 without knowing shit. I agree with you its all about what you know... So why do you have your certification in your signature?
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Originally Posted by John Izzo
Make a website...Hmmm..I kinda agree with you on that...I am no webmaster/HTML expert...but my website gets over 1000 hits a week and it doesn't make me an expert, but it makes me a trusted resource. And that is fine wih me. Are there alot of crap fitness websites? Yes. Does everyone claim to be an expert if they have a website? No.
JP gives titles to people he sees have provided good, solid material for this forum. Of all the poeple I have met on this forum with "the title" I have heard of before...maybe if your not in the industry (at least on this end- meaning being paid), they would all seem like strangers too.
Frank...just chill. Open up those arms little bit and let us in. Don't be so closed up...:p
Ive made my share of websites (since I was 12 years old ive had at least some income from websites.. the most being, when I was 12). My grandma has a website now too, websites dont really mean anything anymore unfortunatley (did they ever?).
Its great we have people on here that know lots of things for when we run into problems or whatever, but we just take things way to far and seriously! Its great that some members have titles, fantastic, but whos advice is worth more on an overtrainning issue? The person thats studied it for 6 years and knows the cns response inside and out, or, the person who has delt with it personally?
Im laid back, maybe I dont come accross this way. I think if I met you in person john we would get along good. Just different sides of the spectrum I guess. I want to spend the least amount of money getting where I want, and you want to make the most!
Frank, I don't know if I really understand what you're getting at. i learned a SHITLOAD in college and all the 'bullshit' that I learned in Exercise Phys, muscle cell phys., advanced biomechanics, measurement and evaluation is 'shit' that i use every day of my life. Sure, you're not going to learn actual program design, teaching progression, speed development etc. in a classroom but that is a PART of the big picture (life learning, personal experience, observation of experienced coaches, continuing educ. etc.). Rest assured, you would not be cake-walking or even thinking about typing on an internet message board (with a final tomorrow) if you had my undergrad experience at Berkeley.
Just remember one thing Frank, at 19-20 every young pup thinks they have the world by the nuts....it's just that they don't. I'm 40 right now and I am WAY better at what I do today than I was @ 35 etc. etc. etc. I have been doing what I do for almost as long as you've been alive....I would hope that you wouldn't look at my certs and degrees and say "huh, this guy probably doesn't know shit..". As far as personal experience being enough I like to reflect back on what one of my good friends (and one of the top trainers in the world) says...."I know a lot of shit but I won't write my own personal training programs". it's all about 'emptying your cup' http://alwyncosgrove.blogspot.com/20...-your-cup.html
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Robert dos Remedios, MA, CSCS,
HCC (Hartman-Cosgrove Certified)
Director of Speed, Strength & Conditioning
College of the Canyons, CA http://www.canyons.edu/departments/pe/strength
"NO CHAMPION HAS EVER ACHIEVED HIS OR HER GOAL WITHOUT SHOWING MORE DEDICATION THAN THE NEXT PERSON; MAKING MORE SACRIFICES THAN THE NEXT PERSON; WORKING HARDER, TRAINING, AND CONDITIONING HIM / HERSELF MORE THAN THE NEXT PERSON; ENJOYING HIS / HER FINAL GOAL MORE THAN THE NEXT PERSON"
JP gives titles to people he sees have provided good, solid material for this forum. Of all the poeple I have met on this forum with "the title" I have heard of before...maybe if your not in the industry (at least on this end- meaning being paid), they would all seem like strangers too.
I think thats the important thing. Its not someone claiming to be an expert, or having a webpage/product range. Its JP either knowing they are, or being really impressed by their posts.
Lot's of interesting discusson/debate. Remember, we can debate, even heatedly, and still do so respectfully, and end up with light, rather than just heat. Debate and discussion are good. Let's not be averse to it.
More importantly, I thought I was going to get the freakin' rope. Oh fudge.
Newlife, I did laugh my ass off when I read your initial post.
Yes, things have changed. That doesn't have to be bad. But it COULD be, depending on how people handle it (on all sides).
Frank, I don't know if I really understand what you're getting at. i learned a SHITLOAD in college and all the 'bullshit' that I learned in Exercise Phys, muscle cell phys., advanced biomechanics, measurement and evaluation is 'shit' that i use every day of my life. Sure, you're not going to learn actual program design, teaching progression, speed development etc. in a classroom but that is a PART of the big picture (life learning, personal experience, observation of experienced coaches, continuing educ. etc.). Rest assured, you would not be cake-walking or even thinking about typing on an internet message board (with a final tomorrow) if you had my undergrad experience at Berkeley.
Just remember one thing Frank, at 19-20 every young pup thinks they have the world by the nuts....it's just that they don't. I'm 40 right now and I am WAY better at what I do today than I was @ 35 etc. etc. etc. I have been doing what I do for almost as long as you've been alive....I would hope that you wouldn't look at my certs and degrees and say "huh, this guy probably doesn't know shit..". As far as personal experience being enough I like to reflect back on what one of my good friends (and one of the top trainers in the world) says...."I know a lot of shit but I won't write my own personal training programs". it's all about 'emptying your cup' http://alwyncosgrove.blogspot.com/20...-your-cup.html
From the classes ive taken, they have sucked. Maybe my school isnt fancy as yours but its decent.
Dos you have obviously taken what you have learned and put it to good use, but I garentee you there are people that were right beside you in those classes that today are under educated trainers. Thats my beef. I could have every cert out there and still be a poor trainer.
World by its nuts? Yep im overconfident, always have been. Works for me I guess. And about cake-walking, yeah, doing a double major in 3 years is a cakewalk. I work hard as I have to, because in the end I know its just going to be a peice of paper that doesnt give me anything more then a foot in the door for industry work, which it already has done for me. (Incase you wonder, Its a geog/comp sci major, gis/remote sensing minor).
Free Jump Rope!
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