Anyone Here Try "Total Body Training" by CW? - JP Fitness Forums

Big Adam · 01-03-2005, 04:45 PM

Anyone have some feedback and what they thought of it? Specifically for fat loss...

T-Mag

chris_f · 01-03-2005, 08:07 PM

do a search... there's been a few posts of about it in the last month or so...

kinney1 · 01-04-2005, 08:07 AM

I have done Craig's Turbulance Training and I would recommend it to anyone. I think it is probably the the most efficient workout out there. It gets you in great overall shape, and you can experience muscle growth with it. If I wasn't injured I would love to try it again.
Kevin

Kam · 01-04-2005, 11:58 AM

I am in week 4 of Cw's TBT and so far I have noticed a lot of positve changes with my body (my wife has noticed them too!). I started the workout at about 18-20% BF and I am currently around 12-15%. Fat loss is, as we all know, a function of diet. The training is to keep or possibly gain a minimal amount of lean body mass.

nobody · 01-04-2005, 02:10 PM

I think the guy is asking about a program by Chad Waterbury, not by Craig Ballantyne.

Q. · 01-04-2005, 02:40 PM

I've been doing something like this for the past month but, with the holidays screwing up my schedule, it's hard to say much about it yet.

What I found before was that there were times when I had to either wait more than 48 hours between workouts or do them back to back, two days in a row. I know that this is hard on the CNS and I was definitely not up to par on the second day but I've always been inclined toward going too soon rather than waiting too long. Is that a big mistake? Is it really as counter-productive as I keep reading it is?

Sorry, that's a slight hijack but it does have to do with full body w/o's in terms of timing.

Matthew · 01-04-2005, 05:18 PM

I'm in week seven of that workout. It's my favourite program so far. I'm on a bulk, so I can't say much for it about losing weight, but I can recommend it as a great program to do.
Q, I think it would be better to wait that extra day than to do a fullbody workout two days in a row. You're body won't be fully recovered, so even if you can lift the weight you won't be getting the results you want. If you wait one day longer, you're body will have recovered even more than if you didn't miss that day, and will be ready for the work ahead of it. If you find you're moving your workout too often, you might consider switching to an upper/lower split. That way you can work out two days in a row, take a day off (the day you wouldn't be able to workout anyway) and then repeat. But definitely do not do two fullbody workouts two days in a row.

Q. · 01-04-2005, 05:59 PM

Thanks!

I think I'll go back to my pull/push days.
Pull = deadlift, rows, chins, lat pulls, etc
Push = squat, dips, shoulder press, DB bench

It's still plenty to keep a guy busy. Oh, the "off" days are for raquetball and/or bike or run.

Q. · 01-04-2005, 08:13 PM

This just came out today in Mike Mahler's newsletter:

Instead of doing split routines, do three full body weight training workouts per week. Focus on compound exercises such as: squats, deadlifts, barbell rows, dips, chin-ups, overhead presses, and clean and push presses. These exercises release more growth hormone and build more muscle.

Deserve · 01-05-2005, 08:33 AM

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Originally posted by mAtThEw:
I'm in week seven of that workout. It's my favourite program so far. I'm on a bulk, so I can't say much for it about losing weight, but I can recommend it as a great program to do.

I'm glad to hear another recomendation. I plan to start it Monday. Here's to hoping the new year starts with a bit of additional muscle.

chris_f · 01-05-2005, 10:02 AM

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Originally posted by Q.:
This just came out today in Mike Mahler's newsletter:

Instead of doing split routines, do three full body weight training workouts per week. Focus on compound exercises such as: squats, deadlifts, barbell rows, dips, chin-ups, overhead presses, and clean and push presses. These exercises release more growth hormone and build more muscle.

I believe he means total body instead of a body-builder bodypart style split. An upper/lower split is still technically (according to some people) a total body work at you are working your entire body more than once a week, and you're using mostly compound excercises. Don't worry about it too much! [img]smile.gif[/img]

Iceztiq · 01-05-2005, 10:10 AM

it's hard doing a program in a sport club. i have to compete with other guys in using the weights, & my resting period's messed up.. etc.. *sigh*..

chris_f · 01-05-2005, 11:13 AM

Ice: I feel your pain. My school gym is ALWAYS crowded (sometimes you have to wait a half hour just to get inside!!). It's terrible, and definately a motivation killer!

Are you really from Jakarta?

Q. · 01-05-2005, 05:08 PM

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Originally posted by sharkbait31:

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Originally posted by Q.:
This just came out today in Mike Mahler's newsletter:

Instead of doing split routines, do three full body weight training workouts per week. Focus on compound exercises such as: squats, deadlifts, barbell rows, dips, chin-ups, overhead presses, and clean and push presses. These exercises release more growth hormone and build more muscle.

I believe he means total body instead of a body-builder bodypart style split. An upper/lower split is still technically (according to some people) a total body work at you are working your entire body more than once a week, and you're using mostly compound excercises. Don't worry about it too much! [img]smile.gif[/img] [/quote]Any thoughts on my pull/push split? It does still work the entire body each w/o but at least it's not hitting the same muscles in the same way.

Rev · 01-05-2005, 05:46 PM

I've never seen anyone divide a split like that, creative. If it works go for it.

Mike Mahler's quote says to do three total body workouts a week. Then he says do compound lifts (basically) to release more growth hormone. Well ok, just because you do an upper/lower split doesn't mean you can't use all compound lifts and get the hormonal benefits. Ok I see the slite difference being if you work your lower and upper in the same day more mass is being worked at once, but it's to a lesser degree or volume. Whether or not volume affects hormonal release...don't know that one.

I think it's a matter of volume division as far as different splits and in that sense the volume is very irrelevant. Example, 3 sets of 10 for chest on mon, wed, fri, end of the week you did 90 reps - - - 9 sets of 10 on monday, end of the week you did 90 reps, doesn't take as long to recover from 30 reps on a full body so you hit it 48 hours later because you CAN. Take's longer to recover from 90 reps so you wait till next week and come back and hit it again, its the same as far as volume speaking. What really matters as far as differing splits it seems, is frequency.

(More frequency equals greater motor unit progress. Greater frequency also leads to the need to use multiple training methods.)

my opinions...oh, and you CAN put on some serious muscle mass with a body builder movement based split I have done it personally. It all goes back to ol Lou Simmons, I'll quote him again, "everything works, but nothing works forever."

chris_f · 01-05-2005, 07:50 PM

I've seen push/pull routines before. They're not common, but they're effective. You're working exactly half your body each workout. On pull days you're working your entire posterior chain. On push days you work the entire front of your body. Either way, you're working your entire body more then once a week.

It's similar to if you were doing an upper/lower split. I like that kind of split. If you have 4 days a week to do a push/pull routine, go for it! [img]smile.gif[/img]