HGM or "the waterbury adventure"??? - JP Fitness Forums

7amoody · 09-02-2006, 08:25 AM

ok, i think most people will know what i'm talking about from the subject title.
i'm planning to go on a year or so of bulking from my lanky 135 lbs. and 5'7 frame. i've asked waterbury a few questions on his locker room. so now i've got 2 plans in front of me and i'm not sure which is the best one for bulking. HGM or waterbury's programs?? here is the order of CW programs:
BBB
ABBH
ABBH II
SFM
SOB
TTT
HH
WM
TBT
PFM
QD
SC
AofW
LFGB
and finally his WHFS
now that's the outline of "the waterbury adventure". of course, my diet will be berardi's massive eating reloaded.
now i just need your opinions guy, so i can make up my mind.
HGM or "the waterbury adventure"? and thanks

Lost Dog · 09-02-2006, 08:42 AM

Between those two, do the Waterbury one. HGM's a great program, but do you really want to put a lanky 135 frame through eight weeks of Phase I trisets? I think not?

If you haven't been lifting long, definately use the ABBH I & II options to extend. These are great programs and you should take advantage of them to their full degree.

There's a few of us who've done almost all of those Waterbury programs. Feel free to ask questions.

7amoody · 09-02-2006, 09:50 AM

thanks for the reply, that's exactly what i was thinking, so i guess i'll go with waterbury's option.

gobbla · 09-02-2006, 10:21 AM

I'd do HGM. Waterbury's programs are somewhat advanced (or intermediate anyway). Just being a bastard and passing judgement at your weight I'd guess that you've not been lifting steadily for 6 months or more, haven't been eating heartily for 6 months or more, and don't know how to organize the smaller programs to meet the needs that you might be facing at the end of any individual piece.

That's why I'd go with HGM. After you finish you'll have paid some of your dues, you'll be a little smarter, and a little better prepared to do some of the smaller duration programs.

Alcoholiday · 09-02-2006, 10:54 AM

eat heavily and lift heavy. ABBH is good because it focuses around compound movements. Not a big fan of some of the rep ranges, but, as long as you're consistantly lifting heavy, and eating, you'll gain.

Lisa~ · 09-02-2006, 02:30 PM

Waterbury. Gobbla, I think he can learn along the way.

slimsaw00 · 09-02-2006, 03:49 PM

go for Waterbury; I'm planning on going on a Waterbury adventure here pretty soon as well. I'll be with ya.

-Matt

castufari · 09-02-2006, 04:21 PM

Back in the day I did HGM and saw a lot of gains. It was easy to follow and I usually felt fairly spanked when I was done with it.

I've read Chad's stuff but haven't been in a mood to give it a go. Seems to be well respected.

jvernacchio · 09-02-2006, 05:24 PM

Waterbury superior IMHO.

7amoody · 09-02-2006, 06:16 PM

ok. thanks for all the replys fellas. so, starting tomorrow i'll begin my first day of BBB. after a few months i'll let you know how the "adventure" went.

slimsaw00 · 09-02-2006, 08:30 PM

Cool man, sounds good. Even though I did Big Boy Basics you probably could start right off with ABBH I/II. But whatever you decide I think you'll enjoy what you are doing.

-Matt

gobbla · 09-03-2006, 01:58 AM

Probibly came off a little more of an ass than intended yesterday. IMO if you're new or haven't followed a structured program the biggest concern is getting your body ready to lift heavy weights not lifting them. Lifting with a slighter higher rep scheme, from a variety of angles, less overall volume, would be the goal. Going back and looking at BBB, it wasn't what I thought it was and would be a good way to get started.

Jaho · 09-03-2006, 04:34 AM

Focus on improving the numbers on your major lifts

A program won't mean a thing if after you finish it you haven't improved your stats.

Check these articles out:
http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=483907
http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=929615

Jason B · 09-04-2006, 09:24 AM

What's HGM?

ParanoidAndroid · 09-04-2006, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Jason B

What's HGM?

http://www.menshealth.com/cda/articl...10cfe793cd____

It's a year long program from Men's Health thats supposedly very good.

Lou Schuler · 09-04-2006, 09:41 AM

Chad's book is coming out in October, last I heard. You should definitely check it out. It gives a deeper explanation of the theories behind the workouts, and, as I've mentioned on other threads, has a new program that is unlike anything else out there, including Chad's own programs.

Lou Schuler · 09-04-2006, 09:43 AM

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jason B
What's HGM?

http://www.menshealth.com/cda/ articl...10cfe793cd____

It's a year long program from Men's Health thats supposedly very good.

Designed by Mike Mejia, it ran as a year-long series in MH when Adam and I were there. Still a very good program, especially for someone who's training seriously for the first time.

He-man · 09-04-2006, 02:01 PM

I'm a big waterbury advocate, but before you decide to go on the adventure you may want to take it one program at a time. Start with ABBH or waterbury method and once your half-way through it start looking at which program next you want to do based on the methodology and exercises. It doesn't make sense to me to line up 2 years worth of programs before finishing one.

Its like deciding you are going to get serious about working out, and buying hundreds of dollars worth of supplements to help you a long the way. I have completed ABBH, waterbury method, primed for muscle, art of waterbury, quattro dynamo, singles club, WHFS, and am currently doing hybrid hypertrophy. You want a good 1-2 years of lifting under your belt before you undertake some of these programs in my opinion so HGM may be the way to go if you are a total newbie. If you do decide to go with waterbury's programs i wouldn't necessarily do them in that order. Do them in the order you want to and so that you will be successful in finishing them. Makes no sense to start a workout you won't enjoy and finish.

Good luck, I can't wait for chad's book, i have a feeling they are going to be sold out at t-nation so order fast!!!

Lisa~ · 09-04-2006, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by He-man

I'm a big waterbury advocate, but before you decide to go on the adventure you may want to take it one program at a time. Start with ABBH or waterbury method and once your half-way through it start looking at which program next you want to do based on the methodology and exercises. It doesn't make sense to me to line up 2 years worth of programs before finishing one.

I agree with this concept also. Get started then make a judgment based on how you are progressing with your current program. When his book comes out, get that and you might change your mind again!