Renaissance Man: Body Development - A holistic approach

[chris_f]

new article by CT found here:

http://t-nation.com/readTopic.do;jse...ydra?id=700722

[Saircon]

Holistic = Supplement

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[chris_f]

Originally posted by Saircon:
Holistic = Supplement

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what?

[emartin10]

Holistic health - An alternative approach to health and fitness that focuses on lifestyle, health, mental wellness and spiritual awareness.

Supplements are the complete opposite of holistic health.

[chris_f]

not neccessarily. protein powder is a supplement. would you say its not part of a healthy lifestyle? multi-vitamins, or what about all those retarded thyroid-condition-causing natural "remedies" that hollistic folks take?? All supplements!

[chris_f]

also, if you want to be accurate about it, hollistic really means involving all aspects of the body, which is why CT's article is so named. You're involving strength, endurance, cardio-vascular health, speed, etc...

[emartin10]

^^ Right, I agree. I think that Saircon was insinuating that holisitic means supplement, which isn't always really the case. I agree, proteins powders are a supplement, and also that they are (for the most part) holistic. If you talk to someone who preaches holistic health, they will tell you that they prefer whole foods in terms of nutrition. But you hit it on the head above, it involves the entire body - everything you said + mental health, etc. Didn't mean to cause confusion, I just think the statement Holistic = Supplement is very inaccurate.

[chris_f]

so you're thinking that supplements are not part of hollistic lifestyles?

[emartin10]

No, I don't think that either. I think a lot of "supplements" out there can be obtained from eating whole foods, but is something like NO2 or Cell Tech part of a holistic lifestyle? I'd argue no, but an arguement can be made in favor of it as well (ie - creatine can be obtained from red meat, therefore it's natural).

It gets back to what do you define supplements as, or what is natural or what is illegal, and I've seen that discussion a few times on here, and it's a very fuzzy discussion. I think that for each supplement an arguement can be made for why it would be natural or holistic.

I think this can be a very fuzzy topic, but a very interesting one. My views of holistic health are extremely skewed, being that in Boulder, CO - many people think that putting any substance other than whole foods in your body is breaking away from a holistic lifestyle, including any sort of unorganic food, alcohol, etc.

http://ahha.org/articles.asp?Id=81

Here is a listing from the American Holistic Medical Association, detailing what they define as a holistic lifestyle. Supplementation is not touched on, but I could argue a few places where it COULD be included. It's a discussion that could go round and round.

[Saircon]

Thank you all for your comments about my short post;

holistic = supplement ??????

There are 2 things I meant with that short post :

1) Should holistic always mean supplementation?

2) Can all supplements be holistic?


I am going to have to leave now, however, I'll be back and post a more detailed answer including true definition of a holistic approach, and why supplementation is not always completely holistic!

[chris_f]

dude, not sure if you're trying to sell shit or what, but you're really just drawing false corollaries. No one has stated that hollistic living NEEDS supplements, that supplements are always hollistic, or that they never are. They're name is rather explanatory - they SUPPLEMENT what you're already doing; they're certainly not the cornerstone of it.

What's your point!? (<~~ I feel like Gq!)

[Saircon]

My comment was not about anybody in the forum, it was about the article. I will explain my comments more detailed when I am back. Patience my friend.

PS: No, I am not trying to sell any "shit" .

[emartin10]

^^ Shark, I think that's what I was trying to say (what you just said) the whole time in all my rambling

[chris_f]

I understand what your comment WASN'T about, and what you think its about, but it has no real relevance to anything contained in that article.

[jwrives]

I have to admit my first impression after reading the article was that holistic and plugging supplements seemed incompatable. But then I actually looked up the definition of holistic

" 1. Emphasizing the importance of the whole and the interdependence of its parts.
2. Concerned with wholes rather than analysis or separation into parts:"

I always associated "holistic" with words like natural and organic. I now realize that my concept of "holistic" was wrong all these years.

Thank you I am now a wiser man.

[chris_f]

^~~ exactly! the involvement of supplements is neither part of nor apart from a hollistic lifestyle. So again, emartin, what's your point??

EDIT:

also, the article is on a supplements company website. As good as the articles are, you must always remember that whenever supplements are mentioned that the person recommending them is also selling them. Never take advice about a product from someone who can make money selling it to you! The workouts are solid, but the supplement advice? it's GAH-BEJJ!

[emartin10]

All I'm saying is that - it's not always necessary, but it's also been proven to be beneficial at times. And it can be argued round and round. You just said it. My first comment was off base in that I said that they are the complete opposite. I just was trying to point out, like others did, that supplementation does not simply equal Holistic.

[chris_f]

right... i just don't understand why it came up in the first place. Did anyone say it does?