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Weighted dips are all good when you're around 100-150 lbs. But what if you're starting from 250-300 lbs, and while the assisted dips are good, that doesn't make it any better from stuff like skull crushers or close grip bench presses.
Any dip movement is going to be more beneficial than an isolatory exercise like skull crushers. If dips are a problem, I would still focus on working on them simply because you're going to see better results from a incorporating compound movements into your workouts, rather than focusing on isolation exercises - meaning I would still do assisted dips over skull crushers.
Not accusing or anything, but just because it might be harder, doesn't mean that it's not worth doing.
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I'd agree Eric. I don't see how the size of you bodyweight really enters into the equation other than making the exercise more difficult. I add weight to my dips and push my total weight on dips well over 200 and I remember a thread recently where vandamme said he was adding SERIOUS weight to his dips. If bodyweight alone is too hard at first, start with negatives or use the assist machine until your strength builds. My 2 cents.
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I started doing dips when I weight well over 200 lbs. If you can only do 1, then do sets of 1 until you can move up to 2 or 3 or 20. Keep at them, you'll get it!!!
Good luck, and again, I hope you don't take offense to any of the above, I'm not implying anything.
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It depends on what you are using it for. As far as I know BB wants to be a Powerlifter, in that case the dip isn't the best move for tricep power. The joint angle isn't very specific and the carry-over really isn't there.
In his case close grip presses, pin presses, and board presses would all be better options.
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Danny wins. And all of his listed are compound movements as well. I think in general, and especially for Powerlifting, isolation isn't the answer. Agreed Danny?
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Yup I would agree. I also like that I win, although I kind of cheated and used other info to influence my decision. If we were just talking about triceps like the topic said that definatly dips would be in there.
Really the only thing I use tricep isolation movements for is to make my elbows feel good with really high rep stuff.
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Ive found that lots of overhead work does really nice things for the tris. Half presses, OH lockouts, push presses, etc.
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I know when I did dips although, it was the kind that you put your feet on a platform and had something behind you to place your hands on, my tricept strength improved greatly. Try them that way if you aren't able to do regular dips. I am about 330lbs and can do them.
thanks danny you answered the question for me,i am doing westside and dips arent really an option for me.I do board presses at the moment danny but i was wondering what i should do for the de bench day and i decided to go with the close grip bench.I like the dips too but i feel i would get better results with this program from board presses and close grip.I know that compound movements work the tricep best i havent definatly learnt that lesson a while back.Thanks for you info guys!
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Coach Defranco once wrote that it'd be better to alternate the short ROM & the long ROM in Bench Pressing, throughout the period of max effort training (1-3 weeks). For example:
1 week of Rack Lockout Bench Press
1 week of Close-grip Bench Press
1 week of Board Press
1 week of Decline Bench Press
1 week of Floor Press
etc.
I'm more of a fan of cable tricehpts kickbacks because I'm hardcoooooooore!111
Actually I have to say a combination of things work best for my triceps but if I had to pick one I would probably pick dips mainly for overall developement.
Generally speaking...there are three heads, two of the heads (long and medial) are big prime movers in a competition bench press so I train these harder than the lateral head. All in all though I like to combine close-grip bench press for the medial head, lying barbell extensions for the long head, and dips for overall developement (long, medial, and lateral). I don't believe you can truely isolate specific heads of the triceps but I do believe you can put more load onto specific heads which would be dictated by the movement pattern. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. I'm piecing together thought fragments from simmons and poliquin here.
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