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Old 02-24-2006, 10:43 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I feel like something is missing in my life and I know what it is. It's the desire to be in shape and stay fit. Lately for some reason I feel as though I've been slacking and not paying attention to my diet maybe as well as I should be. I know from time to time we get down and out of it but I think I need to change something about what I'm doing so I enjoy this life style again.

I think ideas for meals would change things up a bit from the routine schedule. I'd also like some help trying to put together a meal plan for myself. I am very tired of being 135 plus or minus 2 pounds. I've been bulking for 2 plus years now and I'd really like to reach a new weight class this year.

Anyway a little bit of information that will help whoever will help me put together a meal plan.

Age: 17 almost 18.
Activity Level: Moderately active.
Weight: 135LBS
Height: 5' 7"

I've tried JB Massive Eating with some success but the amount of food I had to eat was unrealistic and very hard for me to keep doing. I thought maybe if I tried adding more carbohydrates I might be able to gain weight a little easier. I'm not sure what a good breakdown would be for bulking but from what I've learned this is what I might be aiming for:

3185 Calories
17% Protein - 135grams
30% Fat - 106grams
53% Carbohydrates - 422grams

Any input is appreciated. Help me see a new light JPFitness, I'd really appreciate it.
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Old 02-24-2006, 11:43 PM   #2 (permalink)
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i wish i could help- but i don't have a whole lot to offer. when i lost the freshman 15 (i did it backwards) i would have a pb&j sandwich before i went to bed as well as a protein shake- that helped me gain the weight i wanted. good luck!
 
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Old 02-25-2006, 12:16 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I feel like something is missing in my life and I know what it is. It's the desire to be in shape and stay fit. Lately for some reason I feel as though I've been slacking and not paying attention to my diet maybe as well as I should be. I know from time to time we get down and out of it but I think I need to change something about what I'm doing so I enjoy this life style again.
I think ideas for meals would change things up a bit from the routine schedule. I'd also like some help trying to put together a meal plan for myself. I am very tired of being 135 plus or minus 2 pounds. I've been bulking for 2 plus years now and I'd really like to reach a new weight class this year.


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How have you been slacking?

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anyway a little bit of information that will help whoever will help me put together a meal plan.

Age: 17 almost 18.
Activity Level: Moderately active.
Weight: 135LBS
Height: 5' 7"

I've tried JB Massive Eating with some success but the amount of food I had to eat was unrealistic and very hard for me to keep doing. I thought maybe if I tried adding more carbohydrates I might be able to gain weight a little easier. I'm not sure what a good breakdown would be for bulking but from what I've learned this is what I might be aiming for:

3185 Calories
17% Protein - 135grams
30% Fat - 106grams
53% Carbohydrates - 422grams

Any input is appreciated. Help me see a new light JPFitness, I'd really appreciate it.

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I would get the protein to about 200 and lower the carbs a bit. Make sure youre getting your EFA's via flaxseed or fish, and get your olive oil in. The rest of your diet is free for all after that.
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Old 02-25-2006, 02:27 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Massive Eating is designed, in theory, to add mass while keeping fat gain in check. But the amounts and types of foods are expensive...

I don't know what you do. Are you an athlete or rather sedentary guy or somewhere in between. The more you exercise, the more you've gotta eat to make up for all that work.

I mostly agree with GQ. Eat a lot of protein and healthy fats, then just eat a lot (although, he didn't say to eat a lot. I am). Try it for a while. What's the worst that will happen? A little fat. If it gets too much, back off.

There was an article where JB mentions how much food (crappy, by his Massive Eating standards) he ate to put on weight. It WAS a lot of food, but his choices then weren't all that expensive. I'll see if I can find the article, but it seemed like it was a huge bottle of protein shake (10 scoops in a lot of water) that he carried around to swig all day and a bag of bagels smeared with peanut butter. This was what he ate between his meals.

Again, try it for a month and decide again then. What the worst thing that can happen.

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Old 02-25-2006, 04:50 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Old 02-25-2006, 07:54 AM   #6 (permalink)
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CTA havent got the recipe to hand but can give you a rcipe for a yikes dares I say it cake, thats extremely low fat but carb dense protein high and calorie packed. Easy to consume in a day and takes 5 mins to make (45 to cook)and anyone an do it.

Shall post the recipe in general thread on next week for you, just crunching the final nutrient split on it :-)
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Old 02-25-2006, 09:19 AM   #7 (permalink)
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I'm with the other guys: eat a bunch. You being 18 and all, you can get away with not adhering so strictly to JB's standards (which are amazingly high - not that that's a bad thing).

Don't slack on fiber, fats and protein. And you already know the things that are just downright worthless (like Cheetos and Coke). Avoid those worthless ones but don't be too picky either (a Burger King hamburger here, regular salad dressing there, etc.) I agree with Gq: 135 on protein is a little low. It's not bad, seeing as how you weigh 135, but aim for the 160-200 range for a while. I think if you have well over 400g of carbs a day you're gonna feel crappy.

Best of luck, brudda!
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Old 02-25-2006, 02:49 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Thanks a lot everyone. I'll see what I can come up with.
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Old 02-25-2006, 02:53 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Now I should be aiming for something that looks like this:

3185 Calories
25% Protein - 200grams
30% Fat - 106grams
45% Carbohydrates - 358grams
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Old 02-25-2006, 04:20 PM   #10 (permalink)
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wondering why the advice is recommending 200 grams of protein when CTA318 only weighs 135lbs. Actually, the one gram per pound recommendation that he is following is probably better suited to be 1 gram per pound of lean body mass....@ 10% BF, we are only looking at around 120 grams per day. I wouldn't shift the calories from carbs to protein.
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True. I just meant to eat a lot of protein, relatively speaking.
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Old 02-25-2006, 05:36 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Thats why I was thinking only around 15% protein because from what I know, excess protein is just like anything else that is excess in the body. It can be turned into fat.

Why increase my chances of gaining fat weight by taking in more protein than I really need?
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Old 02-25-2006, 05:37 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Do you think I had a better breakdown of macros before Dos?
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Thats why I was thinking only around 15% protein because from what I know, excess protein is just like anything else that is excess in the body. It can be turned into fat.

Why increase my chances of gaining fat weight by taking in more protein than I really need?

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Excess protein isn't any more likely to be turned into fat than anything else. Its excess calories, regardless of where they come from, that get turned into fat.

I am not saying jack the protein up, I am just saying, that shouldn't be the reason to avoid it.

But you also need to stop worrying about getting fat. People who have problems gaining weight tend to also be worried about every gram of fat they might add to themselves. You need to get out of that mindset. Eat a lot. Don't worry about exactly where each calorie is coming from and what the ratio is, just make sure there is a lot of food coming in.

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I think the first layout you posted looked fine....as Danny said, it comes down to calories. If't not the fat, the carbs or the protein that will make you fat....it's the calories. If you want to gain weight then you have to surplus the calories (and train your ass off of course). I suggested not cutting the carbs simply because you will be using lots of them in your training.

Lastly, the thing with fats is that if you are trying to gain weight they are sort of a double edged sword. They are very calorie dense which is great but they also tend to make you feel fuller for longer thus potentially making you not feel like eating as often as you should.
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Cool some great advice here. Thanks.
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Thats why I was thinking only around 15% protein because from what I know, excess protein is just like anything else that is excess in the body. It can be turned into fat.

Why increase my chances of gaining fat weight by taking in more protein than I really need?

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Excess protein isn't any more likely to be turned into fat than anything else. Its excess calories, regardless of where they come from, that get turned into fat.

I am not saying jack the protein up, I am just saying, that shouldn't be the reason to avoid it.

But you also need to stop worrying about getting fat. People who have problems gaining weight tend to also be worried about every gram of fat they might add to themselves. You need to get out of that mindset. Eat a lot. Don't worry about exactly where each calorie is coming from and what the ratio is, just make sure there is a lot of food coming in.

Danny

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I suggested the protein increase because he'll have more variety in his food choices rather than be bored as he is now. If hes eating that many carbs, then he better be eating a lot of pasta, bread, or bagels, all of which go better with meat [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

CTA, youre young, have a burger [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Dont get me wrong I've been eating a lot of meat probably way too much, thats why I suggested 15% of total calorie breakdown above.

Eating lots of meat wasnt helping me put on size, I thought I needed the carbohydrates to do that. So thats why I produced a macro breakdown like the one above.
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Dont get me wrong I've been eating a lot of meat probably way too much, thats why I suggested 15% of total calorie breakdown above.

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If I were you, I wouldnt get so wrapped up in the numbers.

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Eating lots of meat wasnt helping me put on size, I thought I needed the carbohydrates to do that. So thats why I produced a macro breakdown like the one above.

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Meat or carbs will not help you put on size if youre not eating enough to begin with.
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