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Old 10-20-2009, 11:22 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I'm a big Yankees fan, and I'm glad they're doing as well as they are... however, this is getting embarrassing! While I believe they have played well enough to take a legit 3-1 lead in the series, there have been some RIDICULOUS calls by the umps - mostly in favor of the Yankees. Luckily, the 2 most glaring "errors" (the "no double play" and the "Cano is safe") didn't result in any runs scored.

I've always heard the complaints that the Yankees get the benefit of the calls, but nothing in the past measures up to this.

Again, I don't think it made the difference in a 10-1 ball game, but the umps can't know that when they make the calls. Starting to smell a bit fishy.

What baffles me is how conspicuous the calls have been. Bang-bang plays and balls and strikes are one thing, but these have been some "you don't need replay to have seen that" calls.

Yikes. I hate it because ARod and Sabathia and Jeter and all are playing so well, but the umpiring is so bad people will attribute it all to that.
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Old 10-21-2009, 08:58 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Luckily, the 2 most glaring "errors" (the "no double play" and the "Cano is safe") didn't result in any runs scored.
That botched call at third was one of the only plays I saw last night...that was pathetic! I may not have cost in runs but the cost in momentum and confidence is/was huge.
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That botched call at third was one of the only plays I saw last night...that was pathetic! I may not have cost in runs but the cost in momentum and confidence is/was huge.
Between that and Manny going to the showers before the end of the Dodgers game, it's amazing anybody has any respect left for baseball.

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If there was a conspiracy, the Dodgers would be up over the Phillies. The networks and the baseball industry want to see Yanks-Dodgers. The two biggest American cities, the most heavily populated time zones, plus Joe Torre and the revenge angle.

My guess is that the problem is drug testing. The umps are afraid to take amphetamines, but without the drugs they can't focus enough to make even the easy calls.
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Old 10-21-2009, 11:46 AM   #5 (permalink)
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There seem to be as many unusual calls in the Dodger-Phillies series as in the Angels-Yankees. At least the games I've seen - some of the calls by the plate umpires have been truly questionable.

Of course, we'd like a Freeway series out here even if the networks/MLB would not but its looking like CA is going to get skunked.
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My guess is that the problem is drug testing. The umps are afraid to take amphetamines, but without the drugs they can't focus enough to make even the easy calls.

Either that or they lost the vision coverage in the last negotiation and can't upgrade to bi-focals
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I heard about some of these calls on the radio. Havent' seen them at all, so I won't comment. anyone have any video links?
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You know, the networks have that cool strikezone graphic for every pitch - I'm sure the plate umpire could get it up on an iphone in a large graphic to help him.
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Those were some bonehead calls in the Angels-Yankees game, but conspiracy theories in sports make me laugh. Players screw up, coaches screw up, front offices screws up, but whenever an ump screws up (or a referee in other sports), it's because he's trying to alter the outcome of the game? I just don't buy it.
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but whenever an ump screws up (or a referee in other sports), it's because he's trying to alter the outcome of the game?
But when it does happen, it's a lot more terrifying than players or coaches screwing up.

Gambling is still the monster under the bed of pro and college sports. We assume that players and coaches are paid so much money that they wouldn't consider throwing a game, or shaving points to beat a spread. But the refs aren't paid nearly that well.

Maybe it only happened once in recent history, but once was enough to make it something all sports fans keep in the back of our heads.
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Those were some bonehead calls in the Angels-Yankees game, but conspiracy theories in sports make me laugh. Players screw up, coaches screw up, front offices screws up, but whenever an ump screws up (or a referee in other sports), it's because he's trying to alter the outcome of the game? I just don't buy it.
Well, first of all there was at least one NBA referee who was nailed for fixing games. And the players have indeed been caught altering games: i.e. the steroid scandals. And how many athletes have been arrested, cheated on/ beaten their wives, shot themselves in the leg, broken their pitching hand by punching a stone wall, done cocaine, lead dog-fighting rings... they're hardly impervious to selfish and inadvisable decisions.

I'm not saying there's a league-wide 'conspiracy'. I said 'corruption'. As in: hey, somebody paid a couple guys off.

Not the networks or some bigger agent. But maybe, say, someone involved in Vegas gambling rings?

Again, it just seems so bad that it at least crossed my mind.
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Nothing new about missed calls in big games
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Old 10-22-2009, 12:50 PM   #14 (permalink)
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And Denkinger is the reason why the Cardinals didn't show up for Game 7 either.

There were three bad calls in that game, so by simple mathematics, someone had to benefit from the majority of them.
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Well, first of all there was at least one NBA referee who was nailed for fixing games. And the players have indeed been caught altering games: i.e. the steroid scandals. And how many athletes have been arrested, cheated on/ beaten their wives, shot themselves in the leg, broken their pitching hand by punching a stone wall, done cocaine, lead dog-fighting rings... they're hardly impervious to selfish and inadvisable decisions.

I'm not saying there's a league-wide 'conspiracy'. I said 'corruption'. As in: hey, somebody paid a couple guys off.

Not the networks or some bigger agent. But maybe, say, someone involved in Vegas gambling rings?

Again, it just seems so bad that it at least crossed my mind.
I'm one of the last NBA fans around- I know all about Tim Donaghy. I have no reason to believe that he isn't an isolated case. It's not that I'm naive. I understand that anything could be possible. I'm just a very unskeptical person by nature. And I guess, that's the mentality you need to be an NBA fan, because officiating becomes a major part of the story almost every year during the playoffs.
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Bad calls in big games isn't new... neither is money. One game here, one game there... thousands of players, tens of thousands of games, millions of dollars... sure, none of them ever sells their integrity. Hahaha.
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