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Old 10-25-2009, 02:23 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Well, Carragher should have been red carded too...
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Old 11-02-2009, 05:21 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Ok, I don't ask to mock or dig, but because I'm legitimately curious

What's the scenario for Liverpool if they don't qualify for the CL? I've read that it would be "financially disastrous" but what does that exactly mean? Would they have to get rid of Gerrard and Torres just to pay the bills?
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Old 11-03-2009, 04:23 AM   #33 (permalink)
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Gillett and Hicks have leveraged the club to the hilt (even though they said they'd purchase the club without debt).

Basically, they borrowed a shed load of money (~£250m) from Royal Bank of Scotland and Wachovia against their own equity to buy they club. They then formed a holding company who bought the club and took on the debt - essentially putting the debt on the club.

The idea being that they would borrow more to build a 70K capacity stadium, which would double the value of the club instantly. Their hope was that we would become successful and they could sell for £1bn in roughly 10 years.

The problem being the credit crunch and the fact RBS is now owned by the U.K govt, who have put very strict deadlines on the repayment of interest - so much so that they have both diluted their share in their respective American sports franchises just to satisfy the banks that there is enough capital to repay.

All our new transfers (and contract extensions to current players) have been funded by debt - we have down paid £3M for Aquilani (16M to be paid over 4 yrs) but the £30M we received for Alonso has just paid interest.

All our turnover is being spent on repaying interest and the budgets have been set to reflect the expectation that we qualify for the next round (~£10m) finish in the top 4 (at least 10M) and are in the champions league next yr (£15m minimum).

Gillett (who I think is worse) wants out but Hicks thinks that he can ride out the storm. The problem being that we are in such a bad state that once potential investors look at our balance sheet they take a big step back from any deal.

The only item of worth to the holding compnay is the football club itself, whose total assets as per the balance sheet are in the region of £250m. Against that - debt of approximately £420m. Should a situation arise where refinancing was not possible, the effects would be very serious i.e administration and a 30 point deduction (which may relegate us)

To put it lightly.....we are fucked.

They’d never get away with selling Gerrard and Torres, there’d be murder ....literally.
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Old 11-04-2009, 09:00 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Oy vey...

(Why was there no Carlsberg logo on the shirts today?)

(And Man United has a shitload of debt too, but I don't think their payments come up for a while, at least not until after the world ends in 2012)
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Utd's debt (~700m) dwarfs ours but the difference being that the matchday revenue at Old Trafford is so big (due to it being 76K and having top quality corporate hosting) that ever matchday earns you a shed load. OT has 10,000 executive seats and corporate boxes are £30,000 per game. This is why Gillett and Hicks are so keen to build a new stadium.

Added to that Utd are probably the biggest brand across the world (more so than Real IMO) and are certainly biggest in the highly coveted Asia market.

Having said all that - I think you guys are trading water, a couple of bad seasons could put you in a very bad situation - both teams just need to look at Leeds to see how bad it can get.
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Old 11-05-2009, 03:48 AM   #36 (permalink)
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Oy vey...

(Why was there no Carlsberg logo on the shirts today?)
France has a ban on Alcohol advertising.

A few seasons ago we played with 'probably' (carlsberg's tag tine) and got a big fine so we now go without.
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Old 11-05-2009, 10:58 AM   #37 (permalink)
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You know what's really weird? I've been watching so much soccer on FSC that I almost know what you two guys are talking about. With every Liverpool loss, that coach looks like he's one step closer to the gallows.

For some reason, guys with goatees never hide their disappointment very well ... or so I've been told.
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Old 11-06-2009, 07:57 AM   #38 (permalink)
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You know what's really weird? I've been watching so much soccer on FSC that I almost know what you two guys are talking about. With every Liverpool loss, that coach looks like he's one step closer to the gallows.

For some reason, guys with goatees never hide their disappointment very well ... or so I've been told.
He's working in very a difficult situation at the moment - there is no doubt he's a top quality manager but the whole club are in a mess and the pressure is starting to tell. I still back him but if the owners decided they wanted a change it would cost £24m to get rid; obviously we can't afford that.

I read on your blog that you've taken the girls up a level to travel soccer, are you still using any of the tactics we discussed with Nick at the summit? The higher level in that league can only be a good thing - you'll pick up lots just by watching the other team's formations/set plays.
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Old 11-06-2009, 09:50 AM   #39 (permalink)
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Neil, Nick asked that question over in the moderators' forum, so I'll cut and paste the answer I gave him:


On a different thread, Nick asked this:

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Did our tactical discussion improve the team tenfold?
Short answer: alas, no. The girls just weren't ready for it. As a new team, we needed so much work on fundamentals that tactics had to take a back seat.

Of the 12 girls, only 4 have played travel soccer before, and all were cut from their previous A-division teams. A couple others tried out for A teams but weren't selected.

The rest were just good rec players.

And of course I'm not a real coach. I never played beyond grade school, and didn't really understand anything about tactics until Nick and Neil taught me some of the basics at the Summit.

So my team and I had to learn together. I took a weekend coaching seminar from the NSCAA, and I now have a regional coaching certificate, the equivalent of a Class D license. I've read books, studied DVDs, and watch English Premier League games on Fox Soccer Channel for at least an hour a day.

(Fair warning: next Summit, I'm going to have a bunch of questions specifically about the Premier League. Like, how many of those teams are in London? Do they all have their own stadiums?)

The good news is that we turned a corner a couple weeks ago. Staci Wilson, whom I know through the ISSN, came up to a couple of our practices and really drilled the girls in the fundamentals.

Then we went off to play a Columbus Day weekend tournament -- three 50-minute games in one day. The kicker is that we played full-sided, with only 12 players. (I tried and failed to get guest players to join us.) And our one sub left during the second game. So we played the final game without a single sub -- 11 girls playing all 50 minutes.

Something happened during the second game of the tournament. We still lost, 4-0, but it was a close game. My daughter started playing like herself again. At one point she brought the ball all the way up the right side of the field and played it into the middle. We didn't finish, but it was one of several times we had the other team back on their heels.

On Sunday we played our first post-tournament game, and it wasn't good, but it was still substantially better than the way we played in the first half of the season. The final score was 5-1, but again, it was probably a little closer than that.

My big problem right now is that I can't get the right mix of offense and defense. The kids still have a lot of that rec-league mindset, where they're either one thing or the other. So if I play with three fullbacks, my wing players don't push the ball upfield, and we don't have any kind of offense. If I play with three mids, our defense is compromised, and our opponents always have numbers on us when they attack.

My daughter is one of the few who can attack and defend with equal intensity, anywhere on the field. But she's like me when it comes to energy systems: short effort, long recovery. She makes one of her crazy runs and she's dead for the next few minutes.

The plan is to muddle through the rest of the fall season, shooting for incremental improvements -- closer games, more offensive pressure, tighter defense. In the spring I should get a new player who's a pure striker, something I don't have right now.

More information than you wanted, but what the hell.

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Here's the update:

In our two games following the 5-1 loss I mentioned above, we played the two best teams in our division. One's a premier team, and the other is a true A-division team.

We still lost both games, but our girls were a lot more competitive. Both coaches went out of their way afterwards to point out how much the team had improved. In the second game, it was only 2-0 at halftime, and should've been 1-0 -- we conceded a ridiculous goal 30 seconds into the game.

Our final two games are against teams that aren't quite as overpowering as the first two. I'm genuinely torn over whether to emphasize defense and go for the closest scores possible, or try to generate more offense by putting the best players up front, even if it means we lose by bigger scores.

At practice on Tuesday, I had almost all the girls change positions, and something really interesting happened. One girl who usually plays all 60 minutes of every game at left fullback moved up to center forward. The girl who's usually my central mid went out to the wing. And all of a sudden, our offense improved dramatically.

A couple girls who've played forward all season -- including our fastest player -- went back to play defense, and they were more effective there than they've been on offense.

I don't know if everyone just had a really strong practice, or if I've been playing everyone at the wrong positions all along, or if there's some other explanation. But now I'm really, really curious to see how the next couple of practices play out.
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Old 11-06-2009, 09:55 AM   #40 (permalink)
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You're absolutely right. But it wasn't until the tournament that the girls really grasped what other teams were doing to us. Even the premier team runs the same plays everyone else runs. (They just do it 100 times better.) Once my fullbacks figured out how to bottle up wing players in the corner, instead of allowing easy crosses to open players into the middle, we stopped giving up cheap goals.

Our opponents still win, but at least now they have to work a little harder.
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Good reading, Lou.
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Nick,

Your centre backs (Brown and Evans) are going to have a torrid time against Anelka and Drogba. I expect Carrick will play a holding role to add a bit of protection.

Lampard should have a bit of room - so I've got £2 on him first scorer.
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Old 11-08-2009, 10:18 AM   #43 (permalink)
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You think Carrick will be the one that drifts back the most? My guess would be Fletcher.

I don't like the 4-3-2-1 in big games, but it matches up well with the diamond, so I guess it could be worse. I had no idea that Berba was apparently hurt, because he's not even on the bench.

I am nervous. Really nervous. I'm more amped for this game than I am for the American football this afternoon.
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I am nervous. Really nervous. I'm more amped for this game than I am for the American football this afternoon.
Nice.

You should be since the chiefs are a very poor team and Utd could make history if they win the prem this year.

The game is closer than I thought it would be
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Old 11-08-2009, 11:38 AM   #45 (permalink)
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And of course, NASCAR doesn't start until 2:30 and the Chiefs are the only game on at noon, so I'm forced to stick with them this afternoon. I sense a nap on the couch.

This has been a great game so far.

And that was fantastic acting by Drogba.

MOTHER FUCKER!!!!
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horrible foul call on Fletcher to lead to that free kick
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Drogba active for that goal......I think so, lol
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