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Old 02-20-2008, 05:25 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Or he wants to finish his career where he started ... indeed a rarity these days.
Sundin didn't start his career in Toronto. He played for Quebec and came to Toronto in a trade for Wendell Clark.
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Stan Fischler has completely lost it. The man's crazy. Or, Marty Brodeur is just that awesome. According to Fischler, Marty is playing "average" this season. He still leads the league in wins and is the front runner for the Vezina Trophy. Yes, this is average for Marty. But average for Marty is off the fo'heezy for everyone else.


And that's just one of the reasons the man is insane
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That's about as close as you'll get.
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I've never been a Sundin fan....dude's got skillz but...the CBC over kill ever Saturday makes me ill. The Leafs have been trying to build a team around him for ever and now in his twilight he hangs like the albatross on the Leafs neck.

I'd move him and Tucker and andropov and Raycroft....the list is long....bring in young talent with speed....they are a slow team
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Leafs will have trouble moving anyone other than Sundin. Too many of those guys are overpaid. Who wants Tucker, McCabe, Gill, at an inflated price? Raycroft is an AHL goalie. Antropov isn't all that valuable. Kaberle is worth quite a bit, but declined to waive his no trade clause when Philly apparently made an offer.
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Ugh, there have been rumours that Tucker is headed out this way ... I'd rather we have Turek back in net than see that shithead ever don the Flaming C.
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Leafs will have trouble moving anyone other than Sundin. Too many of those guys are overpaid. Who wants Tucker, McCabe, Gill, at an inflated price? Raycroft is an AHL goalie. Antropov isn't all that valuable. Kaberle is worth quite a bit, but declined to waive his no trade clause when Philly apparently made an offer.

looks like Cliff is stuck in salary cap hell....the bottom line is they may have to take a bath on a couple of players to be competitive again...I'd keep McCabe...he just needs some more help...they don't have 4 guys on the blueline that can skate and move the puck.

It can't be a lot of fun to coach the group.
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Ugh, there have been rumours that Tucker is headed out this way ... I'd rather we have Turek back in net than see that shithead ever don the Flaming C.

ha ha...He'd look good in a Thrashers uniform...or even a Marlies
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ha ha...He'd look good in a Thrashers uniform...or even a Marlies
He should be playing for the Allan Cup, not the Stanley Cup.
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If you wanted to get rid of some of those guys, move them to the Marlies and then they would want out.

I hate the CBC and their coverage. I don't want to watch the same Canadian teams play over and over and over and over again. Show some other teams, but I don't like watching the US broadcasters commentary during the games. To tell the truth I would rather watch European or Asia hockey over most NHL games. I think the NHL should make all team switch the rinks over to olympic size ice, no touch icing and make goalie chest pads about 1/2 the size.
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If you wanted to get rid of some of those guys, move them to the Marlies and then they would want out.

I hate the CBC and their coverage. I don't want to watch the same Canadian teams play over and over and over and over again. Show some other teams, but I don't like watching the US broadcasters commentary during the games. To tell the truth I would rather watch European or Asia hockey over most NHL games. I think the NHL should make all team switch the rinks over to olympic size ice, no touch icing and make goalie chest pads about 1/2 the size.
Of course you show up for the hockey discussion.
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CBC is only going to get worse if they let Jim Hughson jump ship, too.
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Of course you show up for the hockey discussion.
This or lacrosse
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I freakin hate Don Cherry and poor Don McLean is the best for having to put up with that ahole.

The guy who use to do the colour comm for the Jet's got release from Phoenix because they wanted to get rid of all things Winnipeg. The CBC should hire him.
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I freakin hate Don Cherry and poor Don McLean is the best for having to put up with that ahole.

The guy who use to do the colour comm for the Jet's got release from Phoenix because they wanted to get rid of all things Winnipeg. The CBC should hire him.

The guy who does American Pie?
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If you wanted to get rid of some of those guys, move them to the Marlies and then they would want out.

I hate the CBC and their coverage. I don't want to watch the same Canadian teams play over and over and over and over again. Show some other teams, but I don't like watching the US broadcasters commentary during the games. To tell the truth I would rather watch European or Asia hockey over most NHL games. I think the NHL should make all team switch the rinks over to olympic size ice, no touch icing and make goalie chest pads about 1/2 the size.
Talks out of the GMs' meeting are that goalie pads will be an issue dealt with next year, so the pads should be getting smaller. They couldn't widen the rink. Something about all the teams not being capable of expanding the rinks in their arenas.
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The guy who does American Pie?
ha ha ...you said "pie"

The CBC needs to do a better job...the annoucers make it sound like every Leafs loss is an upset...like they were ever any good.

I agree with Mike....bigger ice = better game....the Olympic tournament is the best hockey bar none. The bigger ice will get the sloggers out of the game...more speed more skill...and naked cheerleader belly sliding between periods would get attendance up to pay for it all.
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Their biggest mistake was letting Chris Cuthbert go.
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Since it sound like I am in the presents of "REAL" hockey fans, time to open up a couple real hot topic.

1) Should the NHL crack down on the fights?

2) Mandatory half shields?

No trolls or flaming.... just general discussion


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1) No

2) No



But, if someone with a shield is going to fight, both guys should have to take off the helmet.
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No and no.
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OK, how about some reasoning behind your answers. I have these discussions all the time with buddies of mine (some who play/played in the show).

Just want to get others input.
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Why don't you tell us what purpose your questions serve? They're the same tired questions that people have been asking for years. What do you hope to achieve with the answers to your questions?
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I bring it up because my teammates and I were discussing it after Monday nights game.

I am not trying to achieve anything, just trying to get other perspectives. I reason I ask is because the above are the normal answers a get. When pressed further, I might get, because I like fighting. Ok, cool, then I ask if they like boxing or UFC and they say no.


But, I'll throw my hat in, or guess that should be gloves down, in this instances.

I'll start with half shields. Pretty much a waste of time, if the officials won't call high sticking or other sticking infractions. Heard refs tell players who have complained about getting sticks in their face, to quit whining because they have a shield on.
But even if refs were calling it, I think its player's judgement. Some say they can't see worth a damn with it on, others have no problem.

Fighting, personally I hate it. Distracts from the speed of the game. Would rather see someone get "even" or "send a message" with a bone-crushing (legal) check then a fourth stringer taking a run at someone then dropping of gloves as the bodyguard come in. Always thought that, even when I was on the "checking" line in juniors.

Oh, and I like UFC
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Mandatory half-shield? No. Should they wear them? Yes. Incidental stick/puck/boards /etc. to the eye is going to happen. Tough to keep playing without vision. MHO

Fighting? I sort of agree that having the fourth liner serve as the enforcer adds nothing to the game. Having the fourth liner of the other team run at your best players with intent to injure and only get a two-minute roughing penalty, well that won't work either. So you need someone to take care of that and fighting seems to work.
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Rosie did some great work for her column today.

TheStar.com | Hockey | Leafs' Sundin might still be forced to go

One of his closest friends went to see Mats Sundin at home on Friday afternoon, where the Maple Leaf captain really was burning up with fever and not just dodging the heat by ducking practice amidst trade deadline hysteria.
Sundin told his visitor: "It's not my job to fix John Ferguson's mistakes."
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1. No, I think they should have the choice. Things happen and a shield will protect from accidents. Guys don't use shields to hide from fights. If you fight then you should take off your helmet, that is what is going to protect you in a fight not a shield.

2. Yes, it is not part of the game as many suggest. That is why there is a penalty for it and in anything but pro you get tossed from that game and sometimes the next one too. What they need to do it call a penalty if it is a penalty. Just because it is NHL doesn't mean they can let everything go. Start call all the bullshit stuff and things will clean up themselves. I hate this "finishing your check" shit, it is not, it is a late hit. If the guy doesn't have the puck, you can't hit him, call it. If you are crosschecking a guys while he is getting the puck along the boards, call the crosscheck and guys won't do it.

All NHL arena's have to have the capability to go to Olympic size rinks. The old Winnipeg arena was built in the 50's and was made to be Olympic size. Just watch some World Junior, Olympic or European hockey and you will see it is a much better game with a larger rink. The guys are just too big now to play on the smaller ice.

The goalies have way too much padding now a days. Look to the 80's when the guys had much small padding and still played. I can see that they can do a much better job of padding the goalie with much less size. As a former goalie, I also am not a big one for the butterfly style of today. Way too much time down and a lot of goals could be stopped if they were on their feet.

While I am ranting, if you sign a contract you should not be able to break it. ie Player signs a 5 year deal and then during the first year of that contract has a stellar year. So then in the summer he wants to renegotiate. No you signed for x amount you that that for 5 years, or if you have a shit year, then the team should be able to cut your pay. What I like is everyone gets x amount off a scale and then from their you get bonus money for x goals score, points, +/-, etc. That way they have to earn the extra cash.
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Sundin refuses to waive his NTC. So did McCabe.
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Ha Ha...now Cliff's hands are tied as too moving out some cap room to rebuild....I'd love to see Sundin ride out the season and then retire as a big F-U to MLSE...now who else is of any value on the Leafs that isn't over priced?

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I can't imagine why McCabe doesn't want out of T.O. He may very well be one of the most hated Leafs of all time ... he falls second behind Ballard, for sure, but he's up there.

Watch for Pittsburgh to make some moves for a serious run before tomorrow's deadline.

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