For all their achievements, past Most Valuable Players John Unitas, Dan Marino and Joe Montana never had a season like Tom Brady's 2007.
and let's not forget the stats:
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The eight-year veteran who already has won three Super Bowls helped the Patriots tear through the record books by throwing for 50 touchdowns. He beat Peyton Manning's league mark by one, and also threw 23 of those TD passes to Randy Moss, which lifted the receiver past Jerry Rice's record of 22.
New England scored 589 points, another record, as was the Patriots' 75 touchdowns. Brady led the NFL with a 117.2 passer rating -- no, not another record, but close to Manning's 121.1 in 2004. Only one full-time AFC starter, Jacksonville's David Garrard, had fewer than Brady's eight interceptions. And Brady threw 253 more passes than Garrard.
Brady also was tops with a 68.9 completion percentage, and his 4,806 yards were 383 more than runner-up Drew Brees of New Orleans.
Brady joins a roster of AP MVPs that includes quarterbacks Unitas, Bart Starr, Fran Tarkenton, Marino, Montana, John Elway and Steve Young -- all Hall of Famers.
But, he's still a humble guy:
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Yet Brady insists individual accomplishments don't rule his world.
"As I have learned over the course of my time with the Patriots, the most meaningful accomplishments are always the ones I have celebrated with my teammates," he said. "I am certainly proud of the success that we have enjoyed so far this season."
There also was plenty of praise to go around from teammates, Patriots owner Robert Kraft and coach Bill Belichick.
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Those are great stats, but they hardly tell the entire story. Brady's leadership skills overshadow just about everything.
"Tom's one of those guys that goes out there and tries to perform and compete every week," center Dan Koppen said. "He gives maximum effort on every play and every game. What he did was outstanding, but I know he wants more than that. That's what you need in your quarterback."
I'll give him the stats for this year, but the "humility" is canned. Recognizing teammates and past stars is easy, cliched and not a big deal. Praise from his coach is the same thing.
He obviously did have some awesome numbers this year though.
(And I'm not that impressed by the supermodels. Not my type of "famous hot chick". Still, I'm sure some actresses would drop their drawers for the Super Bowl Pretty Boy. )
I'm just hoping that after all the records and wins and the media blowjobs... after all that... he loses in the playoffs. What divine sweetness that would be.
In all seriousness, Kaiser, I know you think it's a jealousy thing, but it's really not. I mean, I like a lot of different athletes and movie stars. They all make more money and date hot celebrities. The athletes are almost all taller and have bigger moments in the spotlight. Michael Jordan and Brad Pitt are two of my favorites, and they're both better looking.
I won't go into the reasons (again) why I dislike Brady. But it's not jealousy.
dislike him or not, who deserved MVP more than brady? seriously.
Maybe his receiver who got him the big numbers? You might have heard of him, I think his name is Randy Moss. Without him Brady wouldn't have near the numbers he had this season.
Maybe his receiver who got him the big numbers? You might have heard of him, I think his name is Randy Moss. Without him Brady wouldn't have near the numbers he had this season.
yes, moss had a great season, but QBs are usually what lead the teams and not the WRs. NE won 3 sbs without moss, he's just a BIG plus to their team. Brady is a requirement.
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yes, moss had a great season, but QBs are usually what lead the teams and not the WRs. NE won 3 sbs without moss, he's just a BIG plus to their team. Brady is a requirement.
I totally agree but, Grady had 20 TD passes last season. He has 50 this season. Moss this season has more TD catches then Brady threw last season with 23. Yeah Brady threw the ball, but it's obvious that Moss has helped significantly with Brady achieving the records.
In all seriousness, Kaiser, I know you think it's a jealousy thing, but it's really not. I mean, I like a lot of different athletes and movie stars. They all make more money and date hot celebrities. The athletes are almost all taller and have bigger moments in the spotlight. Michael Jordan and Brad Pitt are two of my favorites, and they're both better looking.
I won't go into the reasons (again) why I dislike Brady. But it's not jealousy.
I'm not sure why you dislike him then. Maybe I haven't read your posts closely enough, but it seems like you dislike him because of all the praise he garners in the media. If that is the case, it's not Brady's fault they do that and, frankly, Peyton Manning and Favre both get as much, if not more, positive press (especially when compared to what they have accomplished).
Sure, he has a great team and a good system. But, he still virtually never screws up, and more frequently makes amazing reads and plays.
I didn't like Brady initially either. Michigan guy who is the all-American guy with everything. But then I started hearing about how hard the guy works and what a decent personality he is. One sportswriter said that while Manning is a superstar and descended from football aristocracy (and highly drafted and touted out of college), he tries to be the 'everyman' working guy (and is portrayed as such in his ads); Brady is seen as football's 'golden boy', but in reality he's the 'everyman' that Peyton portrays (and shared starting time in college and was a 6th rounder who worked his way to getting better when he got in the pros). I saw Brady play in college, saw his interviews and didn't care much for him. The NFL version, however, garners much respect. I begrudgingly grew to like him.
I totally agree but, Grady had 20 TD passes last season. He has 50 this season. Moss this season has more TD catches then Brady threw last season with 23. Yeah Brady threw the ball, but it's obvious that Moss has helped significantly with Brady achieving the records.
i can agree with this. But the fact is that moss was a great receiver throughout his career. But, he never had any good QB to throw to him. Without a good QB, the WRs aren't going to get the ball. You can't have one without the other.
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I'm not sure why you dislike him then. Maybe I haven't read your posts closely enough, but it seems like you dislike him because of all the praise he garners in the media. If that is the case, it's not Brady's fault they do that and, frankly, Peyton Manning and Favre both get as much, if not more, positive press (especially when compared to what they have accomplished).
Sure, he has a great team and a good system. But, he still virtually never screws up, and more frequently makes amazing reads and plays.
I didn't like Brady initially either. Michigan guy who is the all-American guy with everything. But then I started hearing about how hard the guy works and what a decent personality he is. One sportswriter said that while Manning is a superstar and descended from football aristocracy (and highly drafted and touted out of college), he tries to be the 'everyman' working guy (and is portrayed as such in his ads); Brady is seen as football's 'golden boy', but in reality he's the 'everyman' that Peyton portrays (and shared starting time in college and was a 6th rounder who worked his way to getting better when he got in the pros). I saw Brady play in college, saw his interviews and didn't care much for him. The NFL version, however, garners much respect. I begrudgingly grew to like him.
One quick one is the dead-beat dad thing. He has a child by one of those supermodels... he sends it money. He's not a father. Now, I know lots of celebrities have these kind of situations, but it doesn't make it right. But I digress on Brady. My boys (the Steelers) just got eliminated.
One quick one is the dead-beat dad thing. He has a child by one of those supermodels... he sends it money. He's not a father. Now, I know lots of celebrities have these kind of situations, but it doesn't make it right. But I digress on Brady. My boys (the Steelers) just got eliminated.
Fair enough. If you're not talking about the same thing, his actress ex- g/f is also pregnant with his child.
But..... you just said you loved MJ. I do too, but talk about a guy who gets a MASSIVE free pass from the media. Philanderer, bettor, biggest divorce settlement in history and its virtually not covered. Kobe should have had his PR firm. So how come Jordan gets a pass for everything he does from you, but TB doesn't?
Fair enough. If you're not talking about the same thing, his actress ex- g/f is also pregnant with his child.
But..... you just said you loved MJ. I do too, but talk about a guy who gets a MASSIVE free pass from the media. Philanderer, bettor, biggest divorce settlement in history and its virtually not covered. Kobe should have had his PR firm. So how come Jordan gets a pass for everything he does from you, but TB doesn't?
I'll be completely honest: I really didn't know that stuff about MJ. Part of it might be that I stopped watching the NBA shortly after he retired... but I never knew all of that stuff. I just saw him on the court. I don't know what else to say about that. I knew he got a divorce at some point, but that's it. Anyway, that's disappointing to hear if he was a cheat.
I don't have a list of proof, but I'll say that Tom Brady has gotten the benefit of more questionable calls than anyone in pro football since 2000. This is a completely subjective statement, I know. But I'm not alone in thinking this, so I'm not completely loco. My friends in NY made up something called the "Brady Rule", in which a flag MUST be thrown whenever Brady is sacked in the 4th quarter. I know, still no specific "facts", but it adds to the dislike.
The media attention adds to it, for sure. Look at it this way: the guy gets ALL the calls his way, has a GREAT defense, a GREAT coach, and then his teams BARELY pulls off a series of big games by 3-7 points... Now, imagine if the calls were square? That's not much of a margin! Sure, this year is mostly different, no doubt... but it was again obvious in the Baltimore game. After all of that, he gets praised as if he's some kind of god. It really detracts from the game to give credit where credit is only partially due.
Living in Boston, I hear it NON STOP. It fuels my fire.
Have you ever seen a kid play basketball on one of those small, 3-foot hoops? The dad stands there and says "Shoot the ball! Shoot it towards the goal!" And the kid shoots. If it's within a few feet of the goal, the dad will grab it and guide it into the basket. I honestly feel like the NFL/refs are Tom Brady's father. They REALLY want him to succeed, and find ways to insure it.
Call me paranoid, a conspiracy theorst, or whatever you'd like. But wherever there's money to be had - and pro sports brings in hundreds of millions - there will be cheating. Just look at Barry Bonds and the NBA referee. It's there... most of it just hasn't been uncovered. If the media hypes him up on top of it, then his success will be less conspicuous.
All that said, Brady is a damn good QB. And I doubt he is aware of any favoritism. But he's not the greatest QB I've seen, in the history of the game, or even in the NFL right now.
Again, fair enough and thanks for taking the time to explain.
Don't you think MJ got the 'benefit' of the referees whistles on many (most) occasions? Other teams would complain vociferously about the way he got preferential treatment. [and this is from a Chicagoan and a Bulls fan]
Disclaimer: the philandering charges weren't documented like the gambling and the divorce, but the rumors were general knowledge here and referenced in a few sports pieces.
Again, fair enough and thanks for taking the time to explain.
Don't you think MJ got the 'benefit' of the referees whistles on many (most) occasions? Other teams would complain vociferously about the way he got preferential treatment. [and this is from a Chicagoan and a Bulls fan]
Disclaimer: the philandering charges weren't documented like the gambling and the divorce, but the rumors were general knowledge here and referenced in a few sports pieces.
Yes, I clearly remember MJ getting an extra half-step on drives to the hoop. I COULD be wrong, but I feel that was more during the last 3 championships, not so much the first 3.
Also, just remember that I'm not trying to necessarily prove anything. People tend to judge on final results, and the details are lost in time. Given that, his Super Bowl appearances and this year's records will erase any memories of favoritism, even some horrifically blatant Super Bowl 'events' (more on that some other time).
Compare Brady's career stats to Matt Hasselbeck's. Year by year. They're amazingly similar. Give Hasselbeck Bellichick and the Pats D during those same years, and I wonder if Hasselbeck isn't the one getting the praise. (Probably not, because he's not as good-looking as Brady, but who knows?) Now give Hasselbeck Moss, Welker and Stallworth. Maybe not 50 TDs, but I bet he throws 35-40!
Anyway, the hate is sort of another thing. I can't give a definitive list of why I love my mother, and hate is just another largely abstract emotion. I've explained where the dislike originated, and the whole thing with my ex-gf sends it over the roof.
It just is what it is. #1 I really do feel he's overrated. Really damn good, but not the all-time great he's made out to be. #2 - I hate what the guy represents - favoritism, smugness, how to take all the credit when you don't deserve it - and of course for beating my Steelers a few times.
How humble is the guy who has more glamour shots than the rest of the league combined? Underwear ads, commercials for suits, the pretty facial shots - seemingly aimed toward the gay community and young girls. How humble is he really? Saying "thanks coach" doesn't undo any of that.
Compare Brady's career stats to Matt Hasselbeck's. Year by year. They're amazingly similar. Give Hasselbeck Bellichick and the Pats D during those same years, and I wonder if Hasselbeck isn't the one getting the praise. (Probably not, because he's not as good-looking as Brady, but who knows?) Now give Hasselbeck Moss, Welker and Stallworth. Maybe not 50 TDs, but I bet he throws 35-40!
What?! Surely you jest. No where near the team leader and "balls of steel" that Brady is. I'd take Brady on my team over ANYONE, you can't count this guy out.
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Anyway, the hate is sort of another thing. I can't give a definitive list of why I love my mother, and hate is just another largely abstract emotion. I've explained where the dislike originated, and the whole thing with my ex-gf sends it over the roof.
It just is what it is. #1 I really do feel he's overrated. Really damn good, but not the all-time great he's made out to be. #2 - I hate what the guy represents - favoritism, smugness, how to take all the credit when you don't deserve it - and of course for beating my Steelers a few times.
What?! He is definitely to be counted among the greatest of all-time. I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one.
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How humble is the guy who has more glamour shots than the rest of the league combined? Underwear ads, commercials for suits, the pretty facial shots - seemingly aimed toward the gay community and young girls. How humble is he really? Saying "thanks coach" doesn't undo any of that.
That, my friend, is called cashing in on your fame. Would any of us really do it differently? I know I wouldn't. His agent is probably partly to blame for this, but again, only trying to cash in on his fame right now. Uh, can you say Micheal Jordan? He pimped Gatorade, underwear, McDonalds, sneakers, etc., etc., etc., etc. There is not a man alive that cashed in on his fame more than MJ.
What?! Surely you jest. No where near the team leader and "balls of steel" that Brady is. I'd take Brady on my team over ANYONE, you can't count this guy out.
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Give me Favre over everyone else, except maybe Marino (when he was playing of course)
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i can agree with this. But the fact is that moss was a great receiver throughout his career. But, he never had any good QB to throw to him. Without a good QB, the WRs aren't going to get the ball. You can't have one without the other.
Yeah I agree. I wasn't saying that Brady didn't deserve it, just giving some one else who could have won it, and deserved it.
One quick one is the dead-beat dad thing. He has a child by one of those supermodels... he sends it money. He's not a father. Now, I know lots of celebrities have these kind of situations, but it doesn't make it right.
Just so you know, the way things went down is they broke up and then she found out she was preggers...Not really his fault. You also can't just marry someone because they are having your child. Sure it was the old fashioned thing to do, but in terms of happiness for both people. This is probably for the best.
I don't have a list of proof, but I'll say that Tom Brady has gotten the benefit of more questionable calls than anyone in pro football since 2000. This is a completely subjective statement, I know. But I'm not alone in thinking this, so I'm not completely loco.
I'd have to differ with you on this. While the Patriots do get a lot of calls, I would have to say this award goes to Peyton Manning and the Colts. After the Patriots beat the Colts in the AFC Championship the first time, the league decided to make a point of emphasis on "illegal contact" which has changed the game entirely. And this point of emphasis was made because of the bitching by Colts players and coaches... ESPN - Expect more illegal contact penalties in 2004 - NFL
Like all of us, I've watched my fair share of Colts games the last few years, and I've always wondered why Peyton never gets touched. Maybe it's because of some of the adjustments he makes at the line, but I really sat down for a few games and watched his line, and they hold consistently...and NEVER get called for it.
As much as Tom Brady is tauted as the "Golden Boy", the league would love it if it were Peyton Manning.
Let's clear something up here, their is hate and their is hate. I hate the Bears. I root against them at every opportunity. Why, because they beat the Pats in 1985 and made that damn superbowl shuffle video -- arrgh! But, if I actually had the opportunity to meet any of the current team or hell, even, Ditka, William Perry or Jim McMahon, I would be excited to meet them. I don't really hate them. It's just that holding on to that hate makes being a sports fan more fun.
Ian, I hope you're not that personally invested in hating the Brady. It's just sports and he is just a celebrity. Oh and by the way I can't stand how Peyton F@*king Manning is on every other commercial during the games -- what's up with that? And I also hate Eli Manning just because he is Peyton's brother... good times.
[quote=Jokerz;475626]Give me Favre over everyone else, except maybe Marino (when he was playing of course)
the one vote keeping it from being all Brady went to Favre. My issue with the MVP (and coach of the year too) is no one, I mean no one (with the exception myself and Blackjack) expected the Packers to do anything. Everyone knew the Pats would be great. So who's really more valuable?
Let's clear something up here, their is hate and their is hate. I hate the Bears. I root against them at every opportunity. Why, because they beat the Pats in 1985 and made that damn superbowl shuffle video -- arrgh! But, if I actually had the opportunity to meet any of the current team or hell, even, Ditka, William Perry or Jim McMahon, I would be excited to meet them. I don't really hate them. It's just that holding on to that hate makes being a sports fan more fun.
Ian, I hope you're not that personally invested in hating the Brady. It's just sports and he is just a celebrity. Oh and by the way I can't stand how Peyton F@*king Manning is on every other commercial during the games -- what's up with that? And I also hate Eli Manning just because he is Peyton's brother... good times.
No no, don't worry, my man. It's strictly a during-and-immediately-post-game hate. Discussing it brings it out of me again, but it's not on my mind during the rest of the week or anything. I wish him all the ill will in the world on the field, but I'm not gonna have him whacked or anything.
No no, don't worry, my man. It's strictly a during-and-immediately-post-game hate. Discussing it brings it out of me again, but it's not on my mind during the rest of the week or anything. I wish him all the ill will in the world on the field, but I'm not gonna have him whacked or anything.
Tom Brady destroyed Ian's life, and family. You see Ian was going to be recruited above Tom in the draft. Tom didn't want that and sent his people to kill him. Unfortunately they didn't. Now he is on a path of revenge. Right Ian, or should I call you by your real name, Miles Davis.
Hey Ian! Did you see who got NFL MVP?
Surely you jest. No where near the team leader and "balls of steel" that Brady is. I'd take Brady on my team over ANYONE, you can't count this guy out. 
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