I'm not condoning it. Just think that if they really wanted to go after top notch collegate athletes they could. Notice that this story originally broke like 2 weeks before the NFL draft, maybe to raise a little "character" issues with NFL teams to lower his draft stock.
I'm not condoning it. Just think that if they really wanted to go after top notch collegate athletes they could. Notice that this story originally broke like 2 weeks before the NFL draft, maybe to raise a little "character" issues with NFL teams to lower his draft stock.
Conspiracy theorist that you are, I could see how that's possible. But, degrading the character of a Heisman Trophy winner, would be pretty difficult.. I hate to see the same tricks used in politics used in sports, it just ruins it..
Do college football players get paid illegally? Yes.
Do they all get paid illegally? No.
I also think that some of the blame needs to be put on the NCAA. Not that these guys should be receiving these inordinate amounts of money. They shouldn't. But there needs to be a system in place that compensates them for their work, or at least allows them to have a job where they can make money to live off of. The abuse of the system, IMO, comes because guys can't make any real money legally.
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Do college football players get paid illegally? Yes.
Do they all get paid illegally? No.
I also think that some of the blame needs to be put on the NCAA. Not that these guys should be receiving these inordinate amounts of money. They shouldn't. But there needs to be a system in place that compensates them for their work, or at least allows them to have a job where they can make money to live off of. The abuse of the system, IMO, comes because guys can't make any real money legally.
You mean these guys can't get a job at McDonald's, or Burger King, or Piggly Wiggly and still be eligible? Or is it that these "amateur" athlete's want the cars, jewelry and other "bling" that the pros have, to be handed to them.
Note that this is amateur athletics. At this point it's not a job, it's a sport.
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Who cares, he plays for the Aint's so he isn't going to do all that much. That is an organization that has not produced a quality team in 3 decades, Reggie Bush isn't going to change that.
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You mean these guys can't get a job at McDonald's, or Burger King, or Piggly Wiggly and still be eligible? Or is it that these "amateur" athlete's want the cars, jewelry and other "bling" that the pros have to be janded to them.
Note that this is amateur athletics. At this point it's not a job, it's a sport.
And when exactly do you expect these athletes to find time to get a job at say a McDonalds or Burger King? Besides the classes that these guys have to attend, there is also the whole "practice" aspect of the game. And I know that the NCAA places restrictions on the ammount of tieme these guys can practice, but how many teams do you think really follow these? I mean even my high school football team (#11 in the nation) held "unofficial" team practices run by the team captains...So I mean let's look at this in all reality and I think Nick hit the nail on the head. These kids put in tons of time for these programs, there should be a way they could be compensated for this.
And when exactly do you expect these athletes to find time to get a job at say a McDonalds or Burger King? Besides the classes that these guys have to attend, there is also the whole "practice" aspect of the game. And I know that the NCAA places restrictions on the ammount of tieme these guys can practice, but how many teams do you think really follow these? I mean even my high school football team (#11 in the nation) held "unofficial" team practices run by the team captains...So I mean let's look at this in all reality and I think Nick hit the nail on the head. These kids put in tons of time for these programs, there should be a way they could be compensated for this.
I would expect them to do it like every other person on the planet - fit it into your schedule. Don't forget, a lot of these athletes attend on full scholarships. That's compensation enough.
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I would expect them to do it like every other person on the planet - fit it into your schedule. Don't forget, a lot of these athletes attend on full scholarships. That's compensation enough.
Let's assume from argument's sake that each person in the below scenario comes from a family that is not able to afford college. It's either college or a fulltime job right out of high school.
Kid #1: Gets a 4.0 in high school, gets a full ride to major state university A. All he has to do is maintain above a 3.0 and gets to keep his scholarship. Because he has a lot of free time, he's able to find a part time job to get some spending money.
Kid #2: Gets a 4.0 in high school, but also is gifted enough athletically to get a scholarship to play (insert sport here) at major state university A. Still gets good grades, and has to spend a lot of time at practice, enough that he can't get a part time job to work.
Who's the loser here? Both are getting the scholarship paid for by the university. It's gotta be Kid #2. He's putting in the same, maybe more, work, granted it's in the form of practice, but isn't making jack squat.
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Ninja man, come on these guys are getting a free friggin ride to college man, with practice without practice, you find a way to deal with it, what about the kids the have full time jobs, and DONT have a free ride to college, they manage.
Ya, their lives sound soooo rough "I got a full scholarship for college, everything i get is free... i have to practice for a sport everyday, and i have to work a part time job, woe is me", please give me a break..
Ninja man, come on these guys are getting a free friggin ride to college man, with practice without practice, you find a way to deal with it, what about the kids the have full time jobs, and DONT have a free ride to college, they manage.
Ya, their lives sound soooo rough "I got a full scholarship for college, everything i get is free... i have to practice for a sport everyday, and i have to work a part time job, woe is me", please give me a break..
I don't see how that really fits into the argument. If the kids are putting in the time, I don't see how they shouldn't be compensated. I don't think it should be Rhett Bomaresque, but a little something. For sports like football and basketball, the universities are making millions off of these kids. A little too beareaucratic if you ask me.
So you're saying that kid 2 doesn't have it worse than kid 1? If you can have college paid for, and have time to make some nice spending cash for yourself, I don't think that can be beat.
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I'm not saying it's better or worse, i'm just saying its completly possible to prosper without help, and they shouldn't be treated like royalty..
All athletes or the ones from the revenue generating sports? Especially in division I, I think it's very important that we separate the two. The best swimmer on the team is not going to have near the name recognition as the best football player. (Unless your Natalie Coughlin or Michael Phelps)
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Gotta go with Nick on this one. Not sayin' the athletes should be getting huge sums of spending money, but there's so much time that goes into playing D1 major sports. Practice, strength and conditioning, film study. It's literally a job for these guys. And keep in mind, not all these guys are on scholarship. While we hear about all the big name players making the headlines, what about the guys on the scout team and the practice squads, even the backups? The guys who spend hours studying films of the upcoming opponent and mimicking their offense and defense every week in practice. The smart schools who do a good job financially make millions off their revenue sports: usually football and basketball. The only thing about this thing is, what about the athletes who dont play the big money making sports? They work just as hard, but dont get the fame and glory. How are they gonna feel, if the big name players start getting some money? I agree it's pretty damn hard to make money when you're a student athlete, and I know from experience. I have to work my ass off during the summer, when I'm not practicing every day. During the fall, I work 1 or 2 nights a week officiating. That's only because it's my off season. These guys in college don't have an offseason. During the spring, it's wake up at 5. School til 2:30. Get taped, eat something, practice at 3. Get home around 6. Shower. Eat. It's 7 o clock already and I'm just starting homework. Weekends are practice and homework. I'm also an excellent student, in all Honors and AP classes. I have to keep my GPA up to keep my academic scholarship to my school. It's hectic. I get it done, but there's no time for work when I'm inseason.
So, I agree it's very hard for the student-athletes to work. I'm not sure I agree with giving them money. Because, then what? You're going to start paying HS atheltes? I just don't think it'd all work out.
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Nick-You've got a valid point, but I don't think the fact that student athletes are busy in any way justifies the allegations against Reggie Bush. There's a HUGE difference between giving a kid some spending money for the weekend and paying for housing for his family.
it's all kinda fuzzy for me. it's been said that some of these athletes essentially just "phyisically go to class" and get a degree out of it. I don't really think that's too different than getting $ from someone other than the school.
overall it's like oldguy says...it's against the rules...that's it. on the morality side of it *shrug*, who cares?
The interesting piece that has kind of been left out of this discussion, is the responsibility of the school administration in all of this (that includes the coaching staffs). The players did not start this activity, rather the coaches and admin staffs did. From spending time at a major D1 school, it was well known (Behind the scenes) that the coaches make the rules and the coaches break the rules. while I am not saying that players do not have a responsibility in this, how many 19 year old kids are going to turn down a car, or some money when the guy they trust the most in life right now, is handing it to them and telling them that it will be ok and there is nothing to worry about?
Players at that caliber get recruited to BIG TIME schools for one reason...to play and to win. Its not to study and not to graduate even... its to win. Its competitive out there, so in this day and age, what does it take to get those kinds of players and better...to keep them in your program? Money. Not saying it is right, but that is the way it is right now. The coaches and admin at schools are the ones paying.
some athletes get paid. but it's not like it is owed to them. college football is basically like filling out a job application for people in the real world. If they play well, they get spoils to stick with their team, or to go pro, or to get remembered, etc. I don't really see the big deal. If they get it, so what? it's not improving their play.
For those athletes lucky enough to get a full scholarship, they aren't allowed by the NCAA to make any money during the school year (they can earn as much as possible during the summer). The NCAA allows athletes to earn money, when added to the value of their scholarship, that totals the value of a full scholarship. So if they are already on a full scholarship, then they are not allowed to earn any more.
At least this was the rule when I was in college (as a D-I athlete). I didn't have time for a job (played college baseball and double-majored), and that is part of the reason why I have $60K in student loans to pay off. Would I trade my national championship ring for a full academic scholarship and no debt...HELL NO!
drew, just wondering, where'd you go and when? National championship-sweeeeeeeeeeeeet
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I went to Rice, and we won the National Championship in baseball in 2003. I'll post a picture of my ring...it's ridiculously HYOOOGE, which is why I only wear it on job interviews!
Watching bush play against my panthers right now. Hopefully going to be a good game.
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That's sweet. I'm a junior in high school and we're the county favorites and have a real good shot to take states as an underdog. We play in the strongest state bracket, so it'll be tough, but our senior class is amazing and we have a very strong group of juniors too. We get rings if we win countys, looking forward to earning one of those, but we all want the big state rings
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Thanks I play first base as my primary position, but can also play the outfield. I honestly don't know where I'm goin to end up this year: first base or left field, but I'm ready to play either, wherever they need me. Looking forward to the county tournament this year. I got to play a few innings last year in defensive relief of a senior and it was unreal. Lookin forward to the pic too.
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Reggie Bush
I play first base as my primary position, but can also play the outfield. I honestly don't know where I'm goin to end up this year: first base or left field, but I'm ready to play either, wherever they need me. Looking forward to the county tournament this year. I got to play a few innings last year in defensive relief of a senior and it was unreal. Lookin forward to the pic too.
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