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Old 07-27-2006, 10:44 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Tour de France winner Landis tests positive for drugs

Unbelievable! Well, maybe not.

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Old 08-05-2006, 09:14 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Old 08-10-2006, 07:42 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Hey guys,

I actually did some real reporting for my blog, if you can call a phone call to a friend with some expertise on the subject "reporting." Anyway, I called Tom Incledon, who has as much experience with hormone testing as anyone on the planet, and asked him what he thinks happened with Landis.

Results are here.

Interesting how no one else in the media is picking up on what has seemed obvious to me all along.
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Good stuff, Lou. Sounds like you had it nailed all along. I always found it interesting when you hear an athlete state 'maybe I took something unknowingly.' Maybe I'm crazy, but during a competition like the Tour de France, I'd be extra careful what food and medication\supplements were consumed during and just prior to the competition. I'd basically trust no one as anyone could sabotoge your effort at that point.
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Old 08-10-2006, 02:13 PM   #6 (permalink)
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during a competition like the Tour de France, I'd be extra careful what food and medication\supplements were consumed during and just prior to the competition. I'd basically trust no one as anyone could sabotoge your effort at that point
Especially an American competing in France. I mean, if there's any place on earth where people want to see an American fail ...
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Especially given the last 7 years.....
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Lou - I agree with you about LeMond. I can't beleive how he acts. He might as well be French, that prick. I just finished reading a book about how well known it was that cyclists of HIS time were all doping. If you weren't doping, you were very much the outcast. I think he's trying to divert attention from himself. No one ever asks if LeMond doped, they didn't really test then, so he knows he's scott free. I hate him.

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Hey guys,

I actually did some real reporting for my blog, if you can call a phone call to a friend with some expertise on the subject "reporting." Anyway, I called Tom Incledon, who has as much experience with hormone testing as anyone on the planet, and asked him what he thinks happened with Landis.

Results are here.

Interesting how no one else in the media is picking up on what has seemed obvious to me all along.

I completely agree.

By the way, what is your take on the accusation that Lance Armstrong used performance enhancing drugs? I don't follow cycling so I'm not sure what the story is, though I have heard rumblings that he cheated in some way.
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Kojack -

There is a BIG group of people who think that basically every pro cyclist dopes in some way, whether it's just ingesting EPO or testosterone, or having blood removed and put back in later (remove with high red blood cell count, reintroduce when red blood cells are low - like in the middle of the Tour de France). Cycling is one of the biggest doping sports out there, and basically anyone who does well is going to have to fend off some doping allegations. Ivan Basso won the Giro d'Italia, and right before the Tour de France, was pulled because of allegations. He was later cleared, but that's just life as a pro cyclist.

I have lots of friends that race in the lower circuits, and they tell me that to get as good as these TdF riders, you HAVE to dope. I don't know if I buy that, I have faith in people still (somehow), but it seems that more and more cyclists are getting caught. And Lance is just the biggest fish in the pond, so they are ALWAYS going to be after him.

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There is a BIG group of people who think that basically every pro cyclist dopes in some way, whether it's just ingesting EPO or testosterone, or having blood removed and put back in later (remove with high red blood cell count, reintroduce when red blood cells are low - like in the middle of the Tour de France). Cycling is one of the biggest doping sports out there, and basically anyone who does well is going to have to fend off some doping allegations. Ivan Basso won the Giro d'Italia, and right before the Tour de France, was pulled because of allegations. He was later cleared, but that's just life as a pro cyclist.

I have lots of friends that race in the lower circuits, and they tell me that to get as good as these TdF riders, you HAVE to dope. I don't know if I buy that, I have faith in people still (somehow), but it seems that more and more cyclists are getting caught. And Lance is just the biggest fish in the pond, so they are ALWAYS going to be after him.

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Interesting stuff.

The more I hear about the alleged doping scandals in cycling the more the more I get interested in some of the goings on in the sport. The current doping soap opera with Landis is certainly garnering a lot of publicity for the sport here in North America. I guess any publicity is good publicity...
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Hey guys,

I actually did some real reporting for my blog, if you can call a phone call to a friend with some expertise on the subject "reporting." Anyway, I called Tom Incledon, who has as much experience with hormone testing as anyone on the planet, and asked him what he thinks happened with Landis.

Results are here.

Interesting how no one else in the media is picking up on what has seemed obvious to me all along.

BEST reasoning I've read - evuh.

As for the "media"? They're so lazy about reporting on every other area - be it politics, world events - why even change their tune regarding this? Besides, the "media" is also as dumb as a bag of rocks when it comes to the chemical use in sports - highly unreliable reporting.
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