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Old 10-09-2006, 03:05 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Flexibility - Hurts Running Economy?

"Too much of a good thing? Why increased joint flexibility may damage your distance performance."

http://www.runnersweb.com/running/ne...ngEconomy.html

Here's a link to an article that says basically that. Hip/ankle flexibility can actually hurt your running economy. They claim that most elite runners have tight hip flexors and it actually contributes to their abilities. I just thought this flew in the face of all the information I had seen so far and wanted to get reactions to it. (wonder if Eric might have something to say on this)

My opinion? Dunno... I just found it.. interesting.
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Old 10-09-2006, 03:11 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Hmmm ... I've finally gotten my hip flexors to loosen up and seem to be running faster than ever. I could see where ankle flexibility might be bad, but I think tight hip flexors can cause all sorts of injuries. Weird!
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Old 10-09-2006, 03:23 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Weird!
I thought the same thing. I've never ever read anything like this.

Common sense would seem to dictate that most over 40 runners (ie...me) need to pay attention to being flexible to prevent injury. I just thought it an interesting perspective.
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Old 10-09-2006, 04:03 PM   #4 (permalink)
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The study makes a lot of sense. The body is all about survival, which means increasing efficiency any way it can, whether good or bad. Do what it takes to survive and that's it, nothing more or less.

It adapts in a way that allows it to be more effecient, decreasing energy expenditure any way possible. So in this case, tightening up the muscles and tendons allows the tendons to absorb and release greater elastic energy than before, reducing the need for active muscle contraction. In other words it allows the runner to bounce along using a more "rubber band" effect and saving the runner from having to supply energy to actively contract the muscles harder on each stride.

The body doesn't care if this is bad for the joints, it only cares if it is conserving energy for the more vital things (heart, brain, organs, etc.)...for, again, survival. It's why when doing training of any sort we have to follow the principle of progressive overload. Our body adapts to training with the bare minimum, so in order to see gains we have to progressively attempt to do something more or faster or higher.

Tightening the joints and muscles isn't necessarily a good thing, depends on the situation. But in this case the muscles gets smart at the expense of the joints. If I was a runner, which I am not, I would still want to work on my flexibility to maintain my joint integrity and overall health.

Our muscles, joints, and systems are extremely smart, it's our decisions of activity that mess things up.

The body is always smart, it's just that sometimes are brains can be dumb.

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Hmmm ... I've finally gotten my hip flexors to loosen up and seem to be running faster than ever. I could see where ankle flexibility might be bad, but I think tight hip flexors can cause all sorts of injuries. Weird!
Are you more flexible? Or, more mobile? Two different things.
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The article's conclusions are just conjecture. They took a look at elite runners and found they were tight. They then conclude that this must help them, since they are elite, then they back-track until they find a reason to support their conclusion. Bah. These guys are tight because all they do is run!

I'll continue to work my hip flexors and hamstring until I get that butt-to-ankle front squat thank you very much...
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I think stuff like this gets put out there just to give everyone something ELSE to worry about!!
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I think stuff like this gets put out there just to give everyone something ELSE to worry about!!
Yeah...well. No more bending at the waist for me. I'm gonna avoid any hip flexing so I can run really really fast. so there.
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Old 10-10-2006, 02:00 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Yeah...well. No more bending at the waist for me. I'm gonna avoid any hip flexing so I can run really really fast. so there.
Who's going to tie your running shoes??
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Old 10-10-2006, 04:17 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Who's going to tie your running shoes??
Fine. Go ahead and ruin it for me. Hey wait... running barefoot seems to be coming into vogue!
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I'm sure they're right *but* I don't think it really has anything to do with anything. Having rigid\powerful tendons is the take away point, not a lack of flexibility. Who is going to have the more powerful\effecient stride, the guy with a small natural ROM or a larger one? Assuming all else is equal the guy with the larger mobility range is going to kick the shit out of Mr. Tightass. Sure there's a point to where it's not going to help to go beyond that (possibly hurt) but let's just pretend that most of us sit on our ass all day and have poor mobility to start with...the concern should be bigger ROM and stronger tendons.

I can see thousands of runners accross the world using crap like this as an excuse to not stretch...ass monkeys.
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I was considering wrapping my hips in duct tape.
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