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Old 09-19-2006, 12:20 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I found this article at NPR's site:
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Putting one foot in front of the other comes easily. But, with a new focus on technique, many runners are trying to fine-tune their form for softer landings.

Longtime runner and physician Mark Cucuzzella has focused on improving his technique to prevent injury. After he was diagnosed with arthritis in his toe joint, several specialists advised him to give up running. But Cucuzzella was determined not to quit.

"I had my feet repaired, and I had to try to learn more low-impact techniques so I didn't damage the joint more," Cucuzzella says.

Cucuzzella, who practices family medicine in Harpers Ferry, W.Va., began researching the technique of running. He read the medical literature as well as advice offered in popular running publications. He also began observing elite racers. He noted precise details of their body mechanics, such as exactly where and how their feet landed.

If you watch world-class runners, says Cucuzzella, "They're landing right under their center of body mass. They're lifting their legs, not pushing off."

Softening the Impact

As Cucuzzella played around with ways to emulate what he observed, he found a technique called "chi running," a form of running influenced by t'ai chi.

"T'ai chi is all about aligning your body and keeping it aligned for efficiency," says Danny Dreyer, who invented the technique and is the founder of the North Carolina-based company Chi Running. During daylong seminars, Dreyer teaches runners how to relax their bodies so they don't have to use as much muscle power.

"I'm basically showing runners how not to use their muscles," Dreyer says.

During a recent seminar in Bethesda, Md., Dreyer worked with about 60 middle-aged runners. He teaches them a one-legged posture stance, which is the foundation of his method and helps to align the body correctly. As the group slowly jogged, Dreyer tells them to focus on picking up one leg at a time.

"Every time your heel comes off the ground, your toe just drops," Dreyer shouts as the participants run around a track. He instructs them to dangle their lower legs and allow their shins, ankles and toes to relax.


Posture is Key

During the seminar, Dreyer tells runners that posture is key. He instructs runners to keep a straight upper body and a "crunch" going in their lower abdominal muscles. Contracting the abdominal muscles levels the pelvis, which helps build strong core muscles. It brings runners' focus to their center, says Dreyer. In chi running, as in t'ai chi, Dreyer says the "center" is where true power lies.

Cucuzzella says the method makes him feel lighter as he runs.

"I'm just lifting my legs," he says. "I've got nothing going on underneath my knees other than they're there to make me land."

Cucuzzella didn't master the technique overnight. He's been working with videos, books and instruction for a couple years.

He says his experience in the Boston Marathon last year assured him that the technique has helped him improve his form.


The race is all downhill, with some muscles doing overtime as brakes. For weeks after, he would be sore.

But last fall, using his new technique, Cucuzzella says the race seemed kinder to his body. The day after the race, it felt as if he'd just taken a weekend run.


"I've never experienced that before. I was like 'Wow, I don't hurt now,' " he says.

Cucuzzella is looking for evidence that there's something about the body mechanics of the chi running technique that he could teach his patients. He's working with researchers at George Washington University who hope to try to measure the impact forces and injury rates of runners who try the method.
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Old 09-19-2006, 12:37 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I think Chi Running works wonders. Well, it did for me. I read the book, then took a four evening class on it. I haven't been injured since, and my running speed and efficiency has improved tremendously. I would highly recommend it ... It is roughly the same as Pose Method, Evolution running, etc.

It's all about mid-foot striking, high cadence and leaning forward from the ankles to work with gravity. Works great IMO!
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Old 09-19-2006, 02:57 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I've adopted a similar running style over the past 9 months or so. My previous knee troubles are troubling me no longer. It took me a good 3 months to get comfortable with the fore-foot/mid-foot strike style with a fair amount of sore calves in the process but it has been well worth the effort.

My next step is to move to a flatter running shoe. Right now I'm getting into some long training runs and I'm not willing to risk the change at this stage in my training. However, I bet when I finally do make the change running will be even more comfortable.
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Old 09-19-2006, 03:12 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I have switched to a more cushioned shoe over the past year or so and am loving it. If you striking mid-foot, you feet will love a cushy, neutral shoe. Try it on some shorter runs to get used to it.
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Old 09-19-2006, 03:25 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Working on form seems to be a big thing lately in the running world. It seems to really help a lot of people. It sounds like something to try!
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Old 09-20-2006, 07:22 AM   #6 (permalink)
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I have switched to a more cushioned shoe over the past year or so and am loving it. If you striking mid-foot, you feet will love a cushy, neutral shoe. Try it on some shorter runs to get used to it.
I appreciate the advice. Currently I'm using a stability shoe (Brooks Adreneline) and they're comfortable but I'm trying to be more of a fore-foot striker than mid-foot. My problem is with the wedge heel. I want to land on my fore-foot but the heel is so high it puts my foot in a less-than-optimal position. I also find as my technique improves my foot falls make almost no sound at all so I'm hoping the cushioning isn't all that necessary -- I don't think they make cushy shoes with low heels.
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Old 09-20-2006, 01:13 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Find a light weight neutral shoe. That is going to be a lot flatter than a stability one.
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Old 09-20-2006, 04:15 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I really like my Asics DS Trainer XI shoes, which are lightweight but have reasonable cushioning and can be used for every day.

According to the website I linked (which has an excellent shoe search function), these shoes are on the neutral to moderate side as far as pronation control. In the past, it seems like I have normally seen them listed as neutral. I do best in a neutral shoe (I have very high arches, which tend to cause over-suppination rather than over-pronation), but it took me awhile to figure that out. I used to buy very supportive or even motion control shoes, some of which were painful for me to even stand in, much less run in! It's amazing the difference a pair of shoes can make.

I noted that website also has me classified on the heavy end of "medium" as far as "body frame size," which no doubt is why I tend to break down these lightweight trainers pretty quickly. A lot of people who use them really like them, though.
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Old 09-20-2006, 04:39 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I really need to go to a local store to check them out but they still looks like they have a big fat heel. The Brooks T4 Racer is more along the lines of what I'd like to try.

P.S. Because it will eventually come up: I know the Nike Free's are all the rage and it might be what I'm looking for but I've never had good luck with Nike's.
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I've always been afraid the racing flats would break down very quickly, and I haven't wanted to spend the cash on a separate pair of shoes just for racing. I have considered buying a second more cushiony pair for every day training and using my lightweight Asics trainers for races and speedwork during training.
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Old 09-20-2006, 05:56 PM   #11 (permalink)
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That's a good point about the risk of them breaking down quicker but I'm not sure I care. With the changes I've made to my gait I've been able to enjoy running again injury free -- first time in 10 years. With the hope of being able to continue this indefinately I'm trying to really perfect the fore-foot running style that's helped me so much, and to that end I'm more than willing to spend more to be able to continue.
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It's funny to see how far along I thought I was with the fore-foot running. I got quite the reality check when I actually moved to a flat shoe in December. I did move my heel strike forward last summer/fall but I was probably just mid-foot striking. Of course now that I think I finally have the hang of this fore-foot running thing, this thread will probably sleep another six months then crop up to remind me of my arrogance.
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I just bought the ChiRunning book, because I was able to find it locally and the descriptions sound similar to the POSE technique. Evolution Running sounds like the same concepts as well. Nice to know that three different people are passing off the same techniques as novel. LOL.
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I'm going to order the book, since it's mentioned in Total Immersion, and that book rocks for me...

I noticed there's a DVD. Does anyone have it? Is it worth getting?
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I've gotten the book from the local library and it has been helpful. Their forum, on the other hand, has not. I've had the URL for quite some time and didn't use it for a long time. Recently, Fish got me to thinking about it again and I put it back on my Bookmarks Toobar (Firefox) but I get no replies to posts. Guess I'll post all my running questions/comments over here... that'll get me to 4000 quicker anyway.
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So, I picked up this book while I was in Tulsa getting "Rethinking Thin". I haven't read it yet. I am hoping I will be able to figure out what I am supposed to do without a DVD. lol....

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So, I picked up this book while I was in Tulsa getting "Rethinking Thin". I haven't read it yet. I am hoping I will be able to figure out what I am supposed to do without a DVD. lol....

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I'm into chapter 5 and have come across only one warmup exercise that wasn't completely clear. That's the only one that made me consider the DVD... and it's one they admitted up front is hard to get right.

I don't remember which one, though, and I don't have the book handy.
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