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06-30-2006, 08:08 AM
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Ullrich or Basso won't win the Tour this year.
They're part of Operacion Puerto. Pulled from the tour by their teams. I was afraid this was going to happen, but it should make for interesting cycling. 
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06-30-2006, 09:39 AM
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Man this tour is starting to look like one big mess. Can't wait to hear Phil Liggett's comments on this tomorrow.
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06-30-2006, 09:43 AM
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I can't wait for Bob's!
Are there any French riders caught up in this or is it just the pesky foreigner who have been winning so much? Man do I have a jaded view of the French and their outragous accents!
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06-30-2006, 09:51 AM
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Power to the pedals!
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06-30-2006, 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by ODB
I can't wait for Bob's!
Are there any French riders caught up in this or is it just the pesky foreigner who have been winning so much? Man do I have a jaded view of the French and their outragous accents!
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Here's the list of the suspendees:
Looks like there is only one that might be French. Maybe ODB is on to something.
The list so far (31 riders)
Astaná-Würth: Michele Scarponi, Marcos Serrano, David Etxebarria, Joseba Beloki, Angel Vicioso, Isidro Nozal, Unai Osa, Jörg Jaksche
CSC: Ivan Basso
Caisse d'Epargne-Illes Balears: Constantino Zaballa
Saunier Duval: Carlos Zarate
AG2R: Francisco Mancebo
T-Mobile: Jan Ullrich, Oscar Sevilla
Phonak: Jose Enrique Gutierrez, Jose Ignacio Gutierrez
Comunidad Valenciana: Vicente Ballester, David Bernabeu, David Blanco Rodriguez, Jose Adrian Bonillla, Juan Gomis Lopez, Eladio Jimenez, David Latasa, Javier Pascual, Ruben Plaza, J.Luis M. Jimenez
Unibet.Com: Carlos Garcia Quesada
Retired/suspended riders: Roberto Heras, Angel Casero, Santiago Perez, Tyler Hamilton
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06-30-2006, 11:30 AM
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They'd have to take another 97 riders out of the tour for zee Francais riders to have a real shot.
At least the World Cup will be on through the 9th....
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06-30-2006, 01:30 PM
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I've been keeping up with this huge scandal here:
http://www.podiumcafe.com/
It's a cycling blog that has been following this pretty closely. So far, 31-riders are out. Including Roberto Heras and Francisco Mancebo (placed fourth last year), who just simply retired. (okay, just caught that someone else posted this info - but I'm stunned. Flabergasted.)
Crazy!
I'm still watching the Tour (as I do every year), the Americans are probably going to be the strongest this year - that's really crazy to be able to actually say that.  |
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06-30-2006, 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by ODB
I can't wait for Bob's!
Are there any French riders caught up in this or is it just the pesky foreigner who have been winning so much? Man do I have a jaded view of the French and their outragous accents!
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I don't think you can blame this one on the French. It looks to me like Operación Puerto was a Spanish investigation, originally targetting Spanish cyclists and teams. That it ended up casting an even wider net isn't surprising, given the prevalance of doping in the cycling world.
It's just too bad that it didn't catch them all - I'm sure that the French are just as guilty.
The only postive news out of all of this is that LA doesn't seem to have been implicated in any way. But I'm sure the French will find a way.
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06-30-2006, 02:58 PM
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I can't believe this. This is so huge, SO HUGE. I can't believe they're pulling this the day before the start. As a selfish American, it's great for our riders (DZ, Floyd, Levi, George), but for the sport - it's sick.
Innocent until proven guilty eh? Guess not over there. I'm going to tune in and cheer my ass off, but I just cannot believe the top 3 are out. If they did dope, good, good ridance. If not, I would sue the shit out of everyone I could, and run Dick Pound over with a bulldozer (he's got to have something to do with this...).
It would be such a shame for someone like Jan to end his career on this note. Ugh. I'm pissed.
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06-30-2006, 03:58 PM
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Phil Leggett wrote a great article about all this here:
http://www.olntv.com/tdf/article/vie...ports_read.tpl
It seems that the teams are withdrawing their riders, rather than having them "barred" as I originally read. T-Mobile instantly withdrew Jan, and CSC did the same with Basso. Interesting.
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06-30-2006, 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by emartin10
I can't believe this. This is so huge, SO HUGE. I can't believe they're pulling this the day before the start. As a selfish American, it's great for our riders (DZ, Floyd, Levi, George), but for the sport - it's sick.
Innocent until proven guilty eh? Guess not over there. I'm going to tune in and cheer my ass off, but I just cannot believe the top 3 are out. If they did dope, good, good ridance. If not, I would sue the shit out of everyone I could, and run Dick Pound over with a bulldozer (he's got to have something to do with this...).
It would be such a shame for someone like Jan to end his career on this note. Ugh. I'm pissed.
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Don't forget these American riders: Bobby Julich and David Zegriskie (sp).
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06-30-2006, 05:47 PM
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06-30-2006, 07:25 PM
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That's what I'm saying Patricia - very stoked for our American boys. It looks like Zabriske and Julich will head the CSC team, then you have Levi, Floyd, and Georgie as leaders, plus Valverde as a supporter who could snag some jerseys. It's gunna be fun, just not as great without the Kaiser and Basso!
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06-30-2006, 08:05 PM
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Is it true Discovery doesn't have an appointed leader this year? I heard whomever rides strongest, be it Popovych or Hincapie will assume the mantle.
With Eki back in it this year, man, they've got as strong a team as anyone.
Whatever the case this is gonna cast a big shadow over the race. Whomever wins will be followed by the "yeah but Jan/Basso/Beloki wasn't there.
sad sad sad
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06-30-2006, 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by kuri
Is it true Discovery doesn't have an appointed leader this year? I heard whomever rides strongest, be it Popovych or Hincapie will assume the mantle.
With Eki back in it this year, man, they've got as strong a team as anyone.
Whatever the case this is gonna cast a big shadow over the race. Whomever wins will be followed by the "yeah but Jan/Basso/Beloki wasn't there.
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Am watching the "Pre-Tour" on OLN right now and they just spoke to Bruyneel who said something very close to that. Overall, there are about four riders on Discovery who will do very well, and a couple who could be possible winners. Bruyneel is, like the master strategist he is, keeping the options open - as they said on the show, I'm sure by stage 7, he'll know who on his team will be the leader.
I'm sooooooo in awe of Bruyneel. Seriously. This guy is a genius.
They also just mentioned that a total of nine riders are out; including Basso and Ullrich. And the favorites of the Americans to win are Hincapie and Landis. If Levi finishes also in the top three - could there be THREE Americans on the podium?
Whatever would the French do? :p
Realistically, it's a WIDE open field and ANYONE can win this one - so I'm just going to sit back and enjoy the ride. |
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06-30-2006, 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by emartin10
That's what I'm saying Patricia - very stoked for our American boys. It looks like Zabriske and Julich will head the CSC team, then you have Levi, Floyd, and Georgie as leaders, plus Valverde as a supporter who could snag some jerseys. It's gunna be fun, just not as great without the Kaiser and Basso!
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You know, I just don't think Ullrich had it in him to win it. Heh, guess I just really, really wanted Basso to win. 
As for our A-boys - yup, totally stoked about this. To think, before Lemond won his first, Americans weren't considered a threat in cycling. Oh, how I love how things have turned out. |
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06-30-2006, 10:14 PM
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In the minority
I don't care if the winner is an American. I know Jan would have won, I saw a pic of him in the prerace tests and he was so lean and fit looking...he was out for blood, obviously. Basso could have been a solid second.
Heras has been suspended for at least a month, with his whole team broken up for many weeks...It's sad, but it's cycling. I think this will be the greatest tour to watch in history...The big names are out and its a wide open field. I can't wait!!
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