Guru Laziness

[Alcoholiday]

Originally Posted by Alan Aragon

In the big scheme of things it really does boil down to the thread title. Jimmy was just being lazy & careless, it's not like he kidnapped someone's pet & raped it. Maybe he just got shitfaced after a Perform Better seminar & decided to build a website & his judgement was way off. Who knows. I've actually talked briefly with him on a conference call w/Lyle, Craig B, & others. Jimmy seemed to be a pretty lucid, sensible guy. Hopefully this incident will give him a swift lesson in integrity.

PS - from an "industry guy" perspective, this whole thing is just sort of a tragic comedy. But I can understand how it would piss off the buying public who at the very least expects some honesty.

the whole thing is, that the internet is a tricky thing.

if Jimmy did in fact rip those off, it was a very stupid thing. Internet gossip spreads like wildfire throughout all strength message boards. If he did do this, it will REALLY tarnish is reputation, and i know he will lose a lot of sales on future products he puts out.

A lot of what "gurus" put out is not new. People buy it because they trust the people who put the stuff out. Eric, Alan, Mike, Lyle, Bill, etc are all examples of this. They are people who put out no BS products and people trust them because they shoot straight. because of their experience on message boards, when they put out new products, they sell a lot better than some joe blow trying to push products on someone.

All gurus have are their reputation. I have a feeling Jimmy is going to be feeling this one...

[Alcoholiday]

Originally Posted by Alan Aragon

That was harsh as hell. I didn't know Shaf had that in him.

holy shit, that was funny.

[RedLefty]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith

Good one, If I wouldn't send it to my list, mention it my blog, or in my t-nation articles then why would I write articles about it?

Precisely. You summed up the question nicely, and if you answered it then I missed it.

If you're really innocent here, then I don't see why some more explanation and self-defense is not worth your time.

[ninja]

Originally Posted by RedLefty

Precisely. You summed up the question nicely, and if you answered it then I missed it.

If you're really innocent here, then I don't see why some more explanation and self-defense is not worth your time.

I would like to see an explanation of the domain name registration, if nothing else.

[PowerManDL]

If what he says about just handing it over to a "web guy" is right, then he could have just purchased the domain name for that purpose.

However, combine that with the promotional materials going back to late December, well.....

[shark]

regarding the obnoxious layout of many websites... This topic has, if I recal correctly, come up before. Allegedly, that style of marketing is actually more successful in an internet venue than the clean, non-invasive site that you and I would prefer. So, if someone is in this business to make money selling materials on the web, well... I can't blame them for going with what works!

[Jean-Paul]

Originally Posted by shark

regarding the obnoxious layout of many websites... This topic has, if I recal correctly, come up before. Allegedly, that style of marketing is actually more successful in an internet venue than the clean, non-invasive site that you and I would prefer. So, if someone is in this business to make money selling materials on the web, well... I can't blame them for going with what works!

So then what is ultimately more important? Respect from your peers or sales? I hate that it has to come down to one or the other. In most cases I don't see that to be the case. Alwyn Cosgrove will be the first to tell you that he's not teaching anything that hasn't already been taught. Although he does bring a fresh perspective to everything

I want to be professional so I won't mention them here but if you email me I'll be happy to tell you. I can tell you who it wasn't though so "Steve Martin" whatever your screen name is, can stop bothering the girl who did my first site. She had nothing to do with it..

You might as well close this thread JP because I'm not responding. I said my piece and I'm not coming back because I can see this getting ugly....

Jimmy, feel free to come in here and defend yourself. The mods are keeping an eye on this thread, but so far it looks like people are staying pretty civil and just asking legit (albeit tough) questions.

Stuff like this will blow over though. I remember some early articles I wrote in my twenties that I would vehemently deny any knowledge of today. This will eventually just fall off the grid as new stuff is always taking it's place.

I don't know why you would be protective or professional with those guys in any way though. They potentially damaged your career and income. I would be suing them and telling everyone in your circle and beyond what they did. I would put up a large banner on the front of my website naming them and saying what shit heels they are. It's not a matter of revenge (well, maybe partly), it's about making sure that their reputation takes a hit since it was their supposed actions hurt yours.

[Cynic]

Originally Posted by ninja

I would like to see an explanation of the domain name registration, if nothing else.

That's nothing. Really. I have tacdyn.com registered in my name, used to have tacticaldynamics.com in my name, let it lapse and now some fucker is squatting on it.

One registers a domain, hands control over to someone else and there is no telling what the controlling agent does with it.

[cycomiko]

as has already been said



combine that with the promotional materials going back to late December, well.....

[ninja]

Originally Posted by Cynic

That's nothing. Really. I have tacdyn.com registered in my name, used to have tacticaldynamics.com in my name, let it lapse and now some fucker is squatting on it.

One registers a domain, hands control over to someone else and there is no telling what the controlling agent does with it.

While I buy your explanation, I have a feeling that in Jimmy's case, this isn't the case. I have no reason to believe anything that has been said in defense.

Sure, I'm biased, but I haven't been convinced otherwise.

[Jimmy Smith]

Originally Posted by ninja

While I buy your explanation, I have a feeling that in Jimmy's case, this isn't the case. I have no reason to believe anything that has been said in defense.

Sure, I'm biased, but I haven't been convinced otherwise.

Listen, I don't really care what you think nor do I care what anyone else thinks. Your only purpose is to tear me down and I shouldn't even be responding to you because you get off on that. I'm happy that you want to play CSI but at this point I've told the truth and it doesn't bother me one bit what a bunch of people who live on messages boards say about me.

That's why I haven't been around here in months. It's garbage like this.

Answer me this..

Why would I want to wreck my career and reputation in this field by copying someone else? Why would I throw away years of hard work?

Oh but you guys got me on some articles that I wrote months ago. It's called promotion and if you had any clue about marketing you'd know that you promote a product BEFORE it comes out. I wrote articles about something that I thought I was going to promote. FYI, article database submission software sends the articles out when you tell it to and those articles were written way before December.

Notice it was never mentioned or linked on my site like the Muscle Bible is? Notice it was never mentioned in my blog? I'm not someone that sits behind the computer with a fake username and talks trash.

You can try to bring me down but it's not working,now I know your lives are pathetic enough that you love this and I'm sorry for that.

I don't need you guys to understand, I don't care if you do. I told the truth that I had nothing to do with it. I have no reasons to come back here and defend myself. I'm not on trial...

Would I pay the guy and join the his mastermind group if I was going to rip him off?

[Jimmy Smith]

Originally Posted by RedLefty

Precisely. You summed up the question nicely, and if you answered it then I missed it.

If you're really innocent here, then I don't see why some more explanation and self-defense is not worth your time.

Yes because I'm not busy enough with real life, I have all this time to come on here and waste it with people who don't have the guts to go by their real names. I've only replied so far because I needed to get the truth out there. It's out there now and you see the nitpicking already about domain registration etc etc.

You want to bring me down and that's cool, I feel bad for you but there's really nothing more to say. I had full intentions of promoting the product and handed everything other to a company, they took it from there, I fired them and moved on with my life thinking the project was dead and I got scammed and just found about it now.

I didn't go ahead with the product because I didn't want to after going through a conflict with the company that wouldn't pay me anything back. I said screw it.

It happens, get over it, get a life, get outside. Stop posting on message boards.

[ninja]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith

Listen, I don't really care what you think nor do I care what anyone else thinks. Your only purpose is to tear me down and I shouldn't even be responding to you because you get off on that. I'm happy that you want to play CSI but at this point I've told the truth and it doesn't bother me one bit what a bunch of people who live on messages boards say about me.

Jimmy, we're your audience. You should care. And it's obvious you do.

That's why I haven't been around here in months. It's garbage like this.

Or is it because we don't fall for sales pitches aimed towards retarded monkeys?

Answer me this..

Why would I want to wreck my career and reputation in this field by copying someone else? Why would I throw away years of hard work?

Oh, I don't know... $?

Oh but you guys got me on some articles that I wrote months ago. It's called promotion and if you had any clue about marketing you'd know that you promote a product BEFORE it comes out. I wrote articles about something that I thought I was going to promote. FYI, article database submission software sends the articles out when you tell it to and those articles were written way before December.

I know I haven't taken any high priced seminars, but I do know a little something about marketing.

Notice it was never mentioned or linked on my site like the Muscle Bible is? Notice it was never mentioned in my blog? I'm not someone that sits behind the computer with a fake username and talks trash.

I thought you just said you were bigger than that. But wait, you just started throwing stones...

You can try to bring me down but it's not working,now I know your lives are pathetic enough that you love this and I'm sorry for that.

I can't bring you down, but you can call me names. That's a nice double standard.

I don't need you guys to understand, I don't care if you do. I told the truth that I had nothing to do with it. I have no reasons to come back here and defend myself. I'm not on trial...

Yet, you just came back to defend yourself. What's the deal? What are you hiding?

Would I pay the guy and join the his mastermind group if I was going to rip him off?

Are we calling this the mastermind group? Really?

[RedLefty]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith

Listen, I don't really care what you think nor do I care what anyone else thinks. Your only purpose is to tear me down and I shouldn't even be responding to you because you get off on that.
That's why I haven't been around here in months. It's garbage like this.

Why wouldn't you care what we think? We are customers in this industry. And as JP said, we're not tearing you down, we're just trying to understand where you're coming from because the timeline wasn't making sense.

Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith

Oh but you guys got me on some articles that I wrote months ago. It's called promotion and if you had any clue about marketing you'd know that you promote a product BEFORE it comes out. I wrote articles about something that I thought I was going to promote. FYI, article database submission software sends the articles out when you tell it to and those articles were written way before December.

Thanks for bashing us again. Good thing you don't care what we think.

Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith

I'm not someone that sits behind the computer with a fake username and talks trash.

And again.

Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith

You can try to bring me down but it's not working,now I know your lives are pathetic enough that you love this and I'm sorry for that.

...

Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith

I don't need you guys to understand, I don't care if you do. I told the truth that I had nothing to do with it. I have no reasons to come back here and defend myself. I'm not on trial...

Dude, like I said, if you're innocent, then why wouldn't you clear up some of our misunderstandings about the timeline and the web stuff? Calling us names and backing out the room like a wounded egoist isn't helping your cause. We're willing to give you a chance but you're not taking it.

Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith

Yes because I'm not busy enough with real life, I have all this time to come on here and waste it with people who don't have the guts to go by their real names.

My name's Michael Wilson. I go to JP's summit every year, and I live in Houston, Texas. I'll give you my address and phone number if you want. I'm not just an internet guy.

And if you can't free up some time to defend yourself when your income is seriously at risk, then fine, that's your choice. If you have time to sell on the internet, why can't you defend your reputation on the internet?

Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith

You want to bring me down and that's cool, I feel bad for you but there's really nothing more to say. I had full intentions of promoting the product and handed everything other to a company, they took it from there, I fired them and moved on with my life thinking the project was dead and I got scammed and just found about it now.

I didn't go ahead with the product because I didn't want to after going through a conflict with the company that wouldn't pay me anything back. I said screw it.

Fine, but the fact that you won't name them isn't heroic -- it's potentially dangerous to your friends and business partners who are at risk of partnering with the same company. If your story is true then this guy is at best immoral, and at worst guility of breaking multiple laws. Warn people!

Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith

It happens, get over it, get a life, get outside. Stop posting on message boards.

Again, man, people buy your stuff over the web. And yet you're making fun of people who post on the web. Go ahead and attack your customer base if you want to. Even though you said we're not marketing experts, I'm guessing that attacking your customers isn't a great strategy.

We're trying to give you a fair shot.