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Old 04-11-2008, 11:52 AM   #61 (permalink)
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I don't do as well when I lift in the morning. give me late afternoon or early evening lifting.
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4 a.m.?? Holy crap. You're not human, are you?
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Very impressive workouts. I'm looking forward to seeing that 180lb squat.

I have never been able to get up early enough to get to the gym before work, so I usually go right after work. But, my best lifting happens when I can sleep in a little on a weekend and get to the gym in the early afternoon.
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Tina, you're such a stud.

I used to like to go and get my workouts done early too. However, I find it hard to OL in the morning because it takes me so much longer to warmup and not feel stiff. My new favorite time to workout is 10am. I really need to quit my job and do this full time.
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Tina, you're such a stud.

I used to like to go and get my workouts done early too. However, I find it hard to OL in the morning because it takes me so much longer to warmup and not feel stiff. My new favorite time to workout is 10am. I really need to quit my job and do this full time.
I keep telling my DH he needs to buy a winning lottery ticket (apparently I SUCK at it since every time I buy one we win NOTHING!) so I can quit my job and work out whenever I want!!!
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Tina, you're such a stud.

I used to like to go and get my workouts done early too. However, I find it hard to OL in the morning because it takes me so much longer to warmup and not feel stiff. My new favorite time to workout is 10am. I really need to quit my job and do this full time.
my favorite time to workout is 3pm, right around the time i wake up.
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my favorite time to workout is 3pm, right around the time i wake up.
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how long have you been doing the 4am workouts? That's around the time i would lift at Chad's. I'd wake up at 2:30 or so, and then leave at 3:30 to get there at 5:00. You'll get used to it eventually.
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SSF/SSH/SSF: 2x3@45,2x3@50,2x3@55,2x3@45,2x 3@50,2x3@55,3@60, 3@65 easy but a little iffy on the last set

HPC + 2J (Thigh/knee/BK): 3x55,3x65,2x3@70,2x3@75 cleans still sucked ass

Snatch high pull 2x3x65, 3x70

JBH 3x45,3x55,2x65,2x70,2x75,2@85

Back squat 5x95,4x120,3x140,2@160, 2x2@165 (+5)


This 4 AM shit has got to stop. I seem to do well at around 10-1030; maybe the AF will fire me and I can lift instead of do that pesky working for a living gig.

Added 5 lbs to the squats today. I'm tired. I think I can hit 180 rock bottom for 2 if someone was standing behind me just in case.

Off to the grind.
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Agreed. Not much chance of getting me up that early hah.
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Tina, you're such a stud.

I used to like to go and get my workouts done early too. However, I find it hard to OL in the morning because it takes me so much longer to warmup and not feel stiff. My new favorite time to workout is 10am. I really need to quit my job and do this full time.

Welcome to my world ... well, not really now that the girls are older and into many different activities ...

Tina, when are you moving so you can get your own set?
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To my untrained eye, both jerks and snatches looked good!
Nice job!
On the snatch, there are two major things going on 1) your hips are too HIGH, and 2) your weight is on your toes instead of your heels and hips.

1) Your hips are too high because as soon as you start the pull, your legs are already almost straight:



You are over the bar but you need to lower your hips so that your boobs are trying to face the wall instead of the floor. This means that youre going to have to arch back way more than youre currently doing to make sure that you stay over the bar.

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YouTube - CMG training 020508 MB 2

You can see that Im trying to lift my chest up high so that its not completely facing the floor. This happens by really arching the back and squeezing the shoulder blades back, pretending like youre at Muscle Beach.

2) Your weight needs to be further back toward the heel of your foot. Otherwise youre going to keep rolling forward like this and you will keep needing to take a step forward when you stand up.



Note that by being on your toes, youre compensating by using your arms during the pull. Also not the distance between you and the bar, there shouldnt be any while youre extending. I wouldnt worry too much about this shit, its just something to note. Focus on sitting back and get a better start position and you probably will fix this on your own.



On your cleans, the start position is better simply because the clean starts higher anyway. The thing is that youre still not on your heels during your clean so its in front of you.

Also, when you do a quarter squat, your butt does have to go back as if youre initiating a squat. Because the bar is in front, youre just bending the knee when you catch:



Jerk looks good, but you have to split farther by dropping more.
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Wow, Manny ... that was VERY helpful ... great comments and easy to see with the picture tutorial! Thank you ...
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Welcome to my world ... well, not really now that the girls are older and into many different activities ...

Tina, when are you moving so you can get your own set?
Two more months-ish. My lease is through July 30, but I can suck up a month of rent. This place is scary-ville!

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On the snatch, there are two major things going on 1) your hips are too HIGH, and 2) your weight is on your toes instead of your heels and hips.

1) Your hips are too high because as soon as you start the pull, your legs are already almost straight:



You are over the bar but you need to lower your hips so that your boobs are trying to face the wall instead of the floor. This means that youre going to have to arch back way more than youre currently doing to make sure that you stay over the bar.

Check out this vid:

YouTube - CMG training 020508 MB 2

You can see that Im trying to lift my chest up high so that its not completely facing the floor. This happens by really arching the back and squeezing the shoulder blades back, pretending like youre at Muscle Beach.

2) Your weight needs to be further back toward the heel of your foot. Otherwise youre going to keep rolling forward like this and you will keep needing to take a step forward when you stand up.



Note that by being on your toes, youre compensating by using your arms during the pull. Also not the distance between you and the bar, there shouldnt be any while youre extending. I wouldnt worry too much about this shit, its just something to note. Focus on sitting back and get a better start position and you probably will fix this on your own.



On your cleans, the start position is better simply because the clean starts higher anyway. The thing is that youre still not on your heels during your clean so its in front of you.

Also, when you do a quarter squat, your butt does have to go back as if youre initiating a squat. Because the bar is in front, youre just bending the knee when you catch:



Jerk looks good, but you have to split farther by dropping more.
Manny, that was VERY helpful! Thank you!
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Awful workout today. Used the local Crossfit facility since Jim's in Reno at the collegiates, so I was flyin' solo. Let me tell you, there is a world of difference in the quality of bumpers out there. Holy shit. I also enjoyed the attempt to add together kilos and lbs in my head--not.

Snatch/Hang snatch/Snatch--worked up to 32.5kg but they were just not working today. Ended up doing a couple singles at 68lb then 73lb. 78.5 wouldn't get up, period.

PC+FS 30kg, 83lb, 88lb. Some lighter warm ups in there too. These were OK.

Clean high pull--2x103,2x114,2x120,2x130.

Clean grip DL w shrug 2x145,2x155,2x165,2x175

Jerks behind head 3x20kg,3x25kg,2x65lb,2x75lb,3x 2x85lb

FS 5x65,5x95,4x112,3x121,3x2x126

TWO hours today. Man.

Bad stuff: I was hungry, lightheaded, dropped the bar with a PC/FS combo b/c as I started to descend, I got tunnel vision and felt everything graying out--scary shit. The bar was nowhere near my major neck vessels so... ehhh.

Tomorrow begins the week of diet nirvana though. Lots of food! I may go lift tomorrow morning just to try and implement the stuff that Manny's mentioned--maybe
I'll just do some snatching and cleaning/jerking with the bar to work on it.
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Note that by being on your toes, youre compensating by using your arms during the pull. Also not the distance between you and the bar, there shouldnt be any while youre extending. I wouldnt worry too much about this shit, its just something to note. Focus on sitting back and get a better start position and you probably will fix this on your own.
werd. this is what i was doing with my cleans as well.

i guess i should probably work on my starting position when i do them again as well.
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Awful workout today. Used the local Crossfit facility since Jim's in Reno at the collegiates, so I was flyin' solo. Let me tell you, there is a world of difference in the quality of bumpers out there. Holy shit. I also enjoyed the attempt to add together kilos and lbs in my head--not.

Snatch/Hang snatch/Snatch--worked up to 32.5kg but they were just not working today. Ended up doing a couple singles at 68lb then 73lb. 78.5 wouldn't get up, period.

PC+FS 30kg, 83lb, 88lb. Some lighter warm ups in there too. These were OK.

Clean high pull--2x103,2x114,2x120,2x130.

Clean grip DL w shrug 2x145,2x155,2x165,2x175

Jerks behind head 3x20kg,3x25kg,2x65lb,2x75lb,3x 2x85lb

FS 5x65,5x95,4x112,3x121,3x2x126

TWO hours today. Man.

Bad stuff: I was hungry, lightheaded, dropped the bar with a PC/FS combo b/c as I started to descend, I got tunnel vision and felt everything graying out--scary shit. The bar was nowhere near my major neck vessels so... ehhh.

Tomorrow begins the week of diet nirvana though. Lots of food! I may go lift tomorrow morning just to try and implement the stuff that Manny's mentioned--maybe
I'll just do some snatching and cleaning/jerking with the bar to work on it.
i get tunnel vision sometimes when i rack the weight on my cleans. It's kinda cool....
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werd. this is what i was doing with my cleans as well.

i guess i should probably work on my starting position when i do them again as well.
You mean you havent been doing since I told you to a while back?
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You mean you havent been doing since I told you to a while back?
dude, i haven't been doing straight bar cleans since i started meet training. I've been focusing on not using my arms for the log though. No bicep pain too. i think that's what may have caused it considering it started around the same time.
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Interesting stuff in here Tina.
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wow, uber impressed and inspired! What part of California are you in and where are you going to? Enjoy your eats!

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Hey Tina, great log!! Nice job moving the weights.....and your shoes are pretty too.

Watching your videos the first thing I noticed was how high your hips were. I videoed my cleans this weekend and noticed I had the same problem. Would explain why my lower back was a bit sore. Thanks for the tips Manny, and keep pounding away at the weights Tina.
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Thanks Paula. I try to keep from boring everyone...

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Hey Tina, great log!! Nice job moving the weights.....and your shoes are pretty too.

Watching your videos the first thing I noticed was how high your hips were. I videoed my cleans this weekend and noticed I had the same problem. Would explain why my lower back was a bit sore. Thanks for the tips Manny, and keep pounding away at the weights Tina.
Yeah, well, thanks to MAnny my hip flexors frikkin hurt.

Today:

SSF/SSH/SSF: 2x3@45,2x3@50,2x3@55"]2x3@45,2x3@50,2x3@55, then SSF 2x2@60 Really sat back on these, put my boobs out just as the man sez, and noticed a huge difference. Mainly, this consisted of pain in my hip flexors--weird--but I also seemed to have a lot more oomph with only a couple of times having the on my toes issue. So, cool there.

HPC +J T/K/BK 3x45,3x55,3x60,2x3x65 Ridiculously light but damn, I was STILL coming up on my toes when I caught. WTF? Got slightly better at the end but aggravating.

Jerks behind head 3x45,3x55,2x65,2x70,2x2x75,1x8 0,1x85,1x90
Drop it like it's hot on these....looooooow. Jerks were great today.

Back squat: 5x95,4x120,3x140,2x160,2x165,2 x170 (+5)
180 is in my crosshairs. I've gone up 10# since April 3 on these--and they are rock frikkin bottom. I'll be at 200 within 3 months or less.

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Nice workout. Long live the diet break!
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I know nothing about O lifting so the first 3/4 of your workout pretty much turns into a bunch of letters when I read it. Either way, it sounds like you are already putting Manny's advice into practice and feeling the effects. Long distance video coaching is a great thing.

But I do recognize back squats and you are making very nice progress on those.
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Wow - I'm envious of your flexibility Tina; your lifts look great to my untrained eye. Seeing a strong woman lift oly like that is simultaneously scary and sexy. Keep it up my leftward-leaning friend!
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nice workout.

and you're awesome for doing that to my paper. It seriously sounds a lot better! thanks a bunch!!
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I know nothing about O lifting so the first 3/4 of your workout pretty much turns into a bunch of letters when I read it. Either way, it sounds like you are already putting Manny's advice into practice and feeling the effects. Long distance video coaching is a great thing.

But I do recognize back squats and you are making very nice progress on those.
Heh. I'll try to be less cryptic, Paul... SSF is squat snatch from the floor, SSH from the hang, HPC +J is a hang power clean and jerk on the last rep, and the T/K/BK is from the thigh, knee, and below the knee. Squats are coming along. Can't wait to nail 200 lbs! Oh wait... I have to get 180 first, right?

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Wow - I'm envious of your flexibility Tina; your lifts look great to my untrained eye. Seeing a strong woman lift oly like that is simultaneously scary and sexy. Keep it up my leftward-leaning friend!
I'm now officially scary sexy.... Yay me!
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and you're awesome for doing that to my paper. It seriously sounds a lot better! thanks a bunch!!
No prob. Let me know when you get it back. I'd love to hear how you did.

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Hey! What do you know? A workout!

Snatch/Hang snatch/Snatch 3x45,3x50,3x55,2x3x60,2x2x65 (no hangs on the last set). Definitely getting back more on my feet and feel a difference but I STILL think my arms are playing a role dammit.

Clean+ 1 J (thigh/knee/below knee): 3x45,3x50,3x55,3x60,2x2x65 (no below knee on last sets)

Jerk behind head 3x45,3x50,3x55,2x65,2x70,2x75, 1x80,1x85,1x90 last one pressed out just a skosh, but otherwise solid.

Front squat: 5x65,4x85,3x105,2x115,2x125,2x 1x135 (+3) ETA: so much for that sticking point!
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TODAY was a very solid workout.... check it out:

Snatch/Hang snatch/Snatch 2x3@25,3@30,3@32.5,3@34,2x2@35 (only got the first two, screwed up the last snatch from the floor. I was getting tired),3@32.5

Clean/Hang clean/Clean + Jerk 3@25,3@30,3@35

C&J 1@37.5,1@40,3x1@42.5 (+2.5)

Clean high pulls 2@47.5,2@52.5,2@55

Clean grip DL w shrug 2@60,2@65,2@70

Jerk balance 3@20,3@25,3@30,3@35

Jerks 2x2@40,1@42.5,1@45

Front squat 5@40,4@50,3@55,2@60,1@65,3@60
(punked out on my 67.5 attempt) (+5)

Best workout EVER.

Thanks, again, Manny, if you're reading this!

Ass down and chest up and out--WAY mo' bettah! I was fast today, too. Just fantastic workout. Jerk balances are interesting--you start with your front foot about halfway to where it will land and THEN you jerk it. It made the ensuing real jerks seem very stable. Good stuff!
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