imo the strongest meet in canada is this saturday in your city.. go and try and watch.
my good friend is competing for the first time there, im not sure if hes going but there is a good chance the 1100+ lbs squatter i train with sometimes is competing too.
Oh man. I work until 3 on Saturdays. Any chance the lifting doesn't start until the afternoon?
I'll tell my buddy about it anyway, maybe he'll want to go down and take some videos or something.
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Zach Even-Esh
I've made some huge mistakes, but they were necessary, because without them I wouldn't have learned anything.
-Dave Tate
Ive never been to a PL meet which ended by 3, but i don't know how things will go there. I imagine you would at least catch quite a bit, but who knows.
True. Catching the deadlifts might even be worth it.
I'll look it up.
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And major action will certainly make you feel a bit uncomfortable, which is absolutely fine. You've gotta get excited about feeling uncomfortable, you've gotta love feeling slightly uncomfortable, because you know that you're stepping outside the boundaries that you used to create.
Zach Even-Esh
I've made some huge mistakes, but they were necessary, because without them I wouldn't have learned anything.
-Dave Tate
Used the shirt today. Even with bags over my arms I couldn't get it on all the way. I'll use baby powder next week, I didn't have any today.
Went to a 4-board with 140kg x3. It went up nice and easy, I hope it's still that easy when the shirt is on properly.
My arms/chest/upper back is cut up a bit.
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And major action will certainly make you feel a bit uncomfortable, which is absolutely fine. You've gotta get excited about feeling uncomfortable, you've gotta love feeling slightly uncomfortable, because you know that you're stepping outside the boundaries that you used to create.
Zach Even-Esh
I've made some huge mistakes, but they were necessary, because without them I wouldn't have learned anything.
-Dave Tate
I had two guys both helping me put it on.
Next week I'll try a 3-board and maybe a 2-board if I can touch the 3-board easily.
Do you rest your arms on something between sets? The sleeves were cutting off the circulation in my arms if I just let them hang in front of me.
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And major action will certainly make you feel a bit uncomfortable, which is absolutely fine. You've gotta get excited about feeling uncomfortable, you've gotta love feeling slightly uncomfortable, because you know that you're stepping outside the boundaries that you used to create.
Zach Even-Esh
I've made some huge mistakes, but they were necessary, because without them I wouldn't have learned anything.
-Dave Tate
you can do that for now, it will stretch after a few times.
I would say forget the boards and just see how close you can get to touching pretty quickly, your not all that far out and you want alot of reps to the chest.
Good point. Like you mentioned in an earlier post though, I want to work my way down. The only reason I didn't go lower today is that I didn't have the shirt on all the way, otherwise I think I could've gone lower without too much trouble.
That is a good point though, I'll spend the next 7 weeks trying to touch as many reps as I can.
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And major action will certainly make you feel a bit uncomfortable, which is absolutely fine. You've gotta get excited about feeling uncomfortable, you've gotta love feeling slightly uncomfortable, because you know that you're stepping outside the boundaries that you used to create.
Zach Even-Esh
I've made some huge mistakes, but they were necessary, because without them I wouldn't have learned anything.
-Dave Tate
This guide is pretty good, if you have somebody who knows how to do it, you really only need 1 person to get a shirt on, extra people aren't that much use.
I use baby powder all the time, makes it alot easier to slide on, aswell as suit slippers.
One of the girls asked me to switch shifts with her. She's taking my Saturday shift.
Means I'm going to the comp!
I can only hope someone squats a grand.
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And major action will certainly make you feel a bit uncomfortable, which is absolutely fine. You've gotta get excited about feeling uncomfortable, you've gotta love feeling slightly uncomfortable, because you know that you're stepping outside the boundaries that you used to create.
Zach Even-Esh
I've made some huge mistakes, but they were necessary, because without them I wouldn't have learned anything.
-Dave Tate
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And major action will certainly make you feel a bit uncomfortable, which is absolutely fine. You've gotta get excited about feeling uncomfortable, you've gotta love feeling slightly uncomfortable, because you know that you're stepping outside the boundaries that you used to create.
Zach Even-Esh
I've made some huge mistakes, but they were necessary, because without them I wouldn't have learned anything.
-Dave Tate
Today: 200kg high box squat (two inches high I'd say, maybe 3)
280kg x2 lockout (bar set at nipple height, will lower it next week)
The bar can't hold more than 300kg because the plates are too thick. Bummer
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And major action will certainly make you feel a bit uncomfortable, which is absolutely fine. You've gotta get excited about feeling uncomfortable, you've gotta love feeling slightly uncomfortable, because you know that you're stepping outside the boundaries that you used to create.
Zach Even-Esh
I've made some huge mistakes, but they were necessary, because without them I wouldn't have learned anything.
-Dave Tate
I'm doing the lockouts to get used to heavy weights. Last comp I had trouble unracking 500, I want 500 to feel like nothing this time around.
I had my knee wraps on for one or two sets of the box squats, but I couldn't sit back as far with them and it ended up bringing a lot of quad into the squat. So I took them off, I'll wear them when I have my suit on.
Which reminds me. I'm wondering if I should wear my suit with the straps down for the rest of this block, and then straps up with wraps for the three weeks leading up to the meet, rather than squatting raw this block and wearing the suit for the three weeks.
At the same time I don't want to lose strength out of the hole because I wore my suit for too long. What do you guys think?
What I'm doing this block is raw squats, high box squats, lockouts
and on the other day reverse band deadlifts, low rack pulls, GHRs
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And major action will certainly make you feel a bit uncomfortable, which is absolutely fine. You've gotta get excited about feeling uncomfortable, you've gotta love feeling slightly uncomfortable, because you know that you're stepping outside the boundaries that you used to create.
Zach Even-Esh
I've made some huge mistakes, but they were necessary, because without them I wouldn't have learned anything.
-Dave Tate
your not going to loose strength out of the hole wearing your suit for 3 extra weeks. Ive worn mine for months on end before and my strength out of the hole has constantly improved.
Just keep your accessory work heavy and do what you are most comfortable with. I'm not huge on squatting heavy with the straps down unless its to a box, thats just because the suit changes so much when the straps are up.
I was thinking of doing the free squats raw still and the high box squats in the suit bottoms.
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And major action will certainly make you feel a bit uncomfortable, which is absolutely fine. You've gotta get excited about feeling uncomfortable, you've gotta love feeling slightly uncomfortable, because you know that you're stepping outside the boundaries that you used to create.
Zach Even-Esh
I've made some huge mistakes, but they were necessary, because without them I wouldn't have learned anything.
-Dave Tate
if you want to move more weight (overload) use bands/chains etc and still squat to proper depth. I like reverse bands for this purpose, but regular bands work too. Most people need lots of practice staying tight in the hole and keeping arched in gear, the high box will eliminate practicing that.
I would sooner do the raw squats to a high box and the geared squats free. Even so, bands would be better.
I don't like the high box squats much either, I find they're too easy to misgroove for me. I liked the idea of them, since they would theoretically have good carry over to geared squats.
I'm not a fan of squatting with bands, I haven't quite figured out how to do it.
By that I mean I don't know how much to put on the bar and how much band tension to use for it to be productive.
I don't have chains/can't afford them.
Another thing is I wanted to bring goodmornings back into my training but couldn't figure out how. I was going to wait until next block, do geared squats then goodmornings. I find my squat goes up as they go up.
I hate changing my plan once I've already started it. Part of why I want to wear the suit bottoms is to have a bit of a transition between raw and full gear, so I'm not just jumping into full gear. I think I'll get more out of my next training block if I'm better prepared.
Would overloading the top of the squat (either with gear or with bands) eliminate the need for high box squats? So I could do overload squat, goodmorning, lockouts, and then in the next block just geared squats and goodmornings?
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And major action will certainly make you feel a bit uncomfortable, which is absolutely fine. You've gotta get excited about feeling uncomfortable, you've gotta love feeling slightly uncomfortable, because you know that you're stepping outside the boundaries that you used to create.
Zach Even-Esh
I've made some huge mistakes, but they were necessary, because without them I wouldn't have learned anything.
-Dave Tate
I don't like the high box squats much either, I find they're too easy to misgroove for me. I liked the idea of them, since they would theoretically have good carry over to geared squats.
I'm not a fan of squatting with bands, I haven't quite figured out how to do it.
By that I mean I don't know how much to put on the bar and how much band tension to use for it to be productive.
I don't have chains/can't afford them.
Another thing is I wanted to bring goodmornings back into my training but couldn't figure out how. I was going to wait until next block, do geared squats then goodmornings. I find my squat goes up as they go up.
I hate changing my plan once I've already started it. Part of why I want to wear the suit bottoms is to have a bit of a transition between raw and full gear, so I'm not just jumping into full gear. I think I'll get more out of my next training block if I'm better prepared.
Would overloading the top of the squat (either with gear or with bands) eliminate the need for high box squats? So I could do overload squat, goodmorning, lockouts, and then in the next block just geared squats and goodmornings?
Most people find that the high box squat doesnt give all that much carryover to the geared squats. I think that it has more carryover to starting strength in the deadlift (just due to position of hips). Most of the time a high box squat you stay so upright that the groove is very different then a regular squat.
As far as band tension goes- here is my general thoughts..
- far away from a meet you can experiment with high band tension, this is very difficult. By this I mean more tension then bar weight. If you squat 500lbs in gear, you may be able to use 300lbs bar weight and 300lbs tension (blues + greens usually) and this will get you used to heavier weights. It is very taxing and can't be done for more then 2-3 weeks.
- 6-10 weeks out from a meet I think less tension is needed. I am a fan of reverse bands at this point as the groove seems more similar.
- 6-0 weeks out from a meet, more or less all my difficult training is done for the meet so its just straight weight, ill take a reverse band squat to get the feel for my 2nd and 3rd attempts.
Thats what I do.. Westside gym does it quite a bit different with good results. (They only squat to a box + band tension with the straps down, then at the meet they put their straps up for the first time often).
One method you may want to consider if you want an easy transition is using your suit straps down + green bands to slightly overload the top of the squat. Do this for 3 weeks using something like a 5x5 rep scheme.
Then do a 3 week cycle of full gear straight weight and make it a circa max style block. So
w1: 2reps, 5sets
w2: 2reps, 5sets (heavier then w1)
w3: 2reps, 3sets, work up to heavy single.
take 2 weeks off (can hit opener in this time if you are unsure of it, i dont)
compete
about a million ways you can do it. If you find the good mornings help, do them after you squat, they are a good movement.
I understand what you are saying about not changing the plan though, i'm the same way.
Before I respond to what you just posted, let me ask you this.
If I brought my stance out, closer to the way multiply guys squat but not that far, and so I was more upright, would high box squats then have more carryover than goodmornings?
I've been thinking of doing that since I started box squatting with a wider stance. If I were to try it, this would be the meet to do it, since the next meet is provincial championships.
If this is the case I could continue with my current plan without too much worry.
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And major action will certainly make you feel a bit uncomfortable, which is absolutely fine. You've gotta get excited about feeling uncomfortable, you've gotta love feeling slightly uncomfortable, because you know that you're stepping outside the boundaries that you used to create.
Zach Even-Esh
I've made some huge mistakes, but they were necessary, because without them I wouldn't have learned anything.
-Dave Tate
What if I kept the raw squats and the geared squats, and lost the goodmornings until my next block, so
raw squat, no heavier than a triple
parallel box squat in suit, straps down, against bands
lockout squat
Then the three weeks leading up to the meet would be
squat in full gear
goodmornings
I've been able to leave the goodmornings out because I've been doing a shitload of upper back work, including bentover rows 3x a week. So I'm still doing lots of volume in movements that require me to keep a tight arch.
My plan is to drop most of the upper back work in the few weeks before the meet, and sub in goodmornings, so I'm giving my back a chance to recover for the meet but I'm still doing a movement that mimics my squat.
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And major action will certainly make you feel a bit uncomfortable, which is absolutely fine. You've gotta get excited about feeling uncomfortable, you've gotta love feeling slightly uncomfortable, because you know that you're stepping outside the boundaries that you used to create.
Zach Even-Esh
I've made some huge mistakes, but they were necessary, because without them I wouldn't have learned anything.
-Dave Tate
Bottom end strength.
And I haven't free squatted in a while, I'm getting tired of raw box squats.
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And major action will certainly make you feel a bit uncomfortable, which is absolutely fine. You've gotta get excited about feeling uncomfortable, you've gotta love feeling slightly uncomfortable, because you know that you're stepping outside the boundaries that you used to create.
Zach Even-Esh
I've made some huge mistakes, but they were necessary, because without them I wouldn't have learned anything.
-Dave Tate
Went to the cpo nationals today. They were running about an hour and a half late at the comp, so I only got to see some amateur flights and two attempts of the pros before I had to leave for work.
(I was hoping to miss the lightweight amateurs altogether, watching a 220lb squat by a 120lb dude is boring, sorry)
I saw two 900+ squats which was cool. A couple 800+ and 700+
I saw al mehab take his second squat, 1028 I think. He missed it, too bad, it would have been cool to see over a grand go up.
He had a problem with one of the straps as he was setting up. I'm sure he nailed his third attempt.
I saw some guy squat mid 600s raw, that was pretty cool.
This one chick almost got 501 up. That was awesome.
I'm definitely switching to this fed in a few years. A suit and briefs, a wide ass stance and a slightly higher depth? Friggin right.
A lot of the guys went pretty low actually, would've passed with ipf some of them.
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And major action will certainly make you feel a bit uncomfortable, which is absolutely fine. You've gotta get excited about feeling uncomfortable, you've gotta love feeling slightly uncomfortable, because you know that you're stepping outside the boundaries that you used to create.
Zach Even-Esh
I've made some huge mistakes, but they were necessary, because without them I wouldn't have learned anything.
-Dave Tate
The difference in judging is less then some people make it out to be i find, lots of good lifts in the wpc. You have to reach parallel in the wpc and you have to break it in the ipf it seems. Alot of the problem is that for bigger lifters they are harder to judge, and more big lifters are in multiply.
You can enter a cpo meet whenever, all your gear is good there (actually even if you where multiply i would still recomend the shirt you just got).
I wouldn't want to enter a cpo meet with single ply gear.
I'd gear up and smoke a 600 squat. haha
One of the women in the audience was telling me the fed in general is very disorganized. She told me that she's heard of guys flying in for a meet one weekend and finding out when they got there it had been moved to the next weekend (or the next day, I couldn't make out what she said), and no one updated the website. That would suck big time.
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And major action will certainly make you feel a bit uncomfortable, which is absolutely fine. You've gotta get excited about feeling uncomfortable, you've gotta love feeling slightly uncomfortable, because you know that you're stepping outside the boundaries that you used to create.
Zach Even-Esh
I've made some huge mistakes, but they were necessary, because without them I wouldn't have learned anything.
-Dave Tate
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