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Old 08-23-2007, 04:12 PM   #91 (permalink)
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I actually like doing them. 1 set is pretty much a workout in itself. Like you guys said, great for mental toughness(especially the last 10 reps), and high rep squats seem to make my legs grow like nothing else.
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Yep, great hypertrophy.

I like to do them with my 10-12RM and take pauses (with the bar on my back). Painful for sure. I probably puke 1/2 of the time
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The black tampon. Never thought of it that way.
I have one and use it for heavy Front Squats
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I just bruise my arms on those lol.

todays workout (mixed RE bench and DE squat)

BB Bench

135 x 5
185 x 3
225 x 3
245 x 3
265 x 3 (repPR)
270 x 3 (repPR)
275 x 3 (repPR)
225 x 10 (repPR)

Speed free Squats
225 x 3
325 x 2
x2
x2
x2
x2

Seated Rows
200 x 8
210 x 8 (+10lbs repPR)
220 x 8 (+20lbs repPR)

Romanian Deadlifts

225 x 6
320 x 8
320 x 10 (repPR)

Havnt free Squatted for a long time. Weight was real light but the low bar was a little hard on my shoulders. Tried the manta-ray thing but didnt feel right at all on me. Should have no problems in the 600lbs squat range (50lbs PR)im thinking after how fast they where today.

Lots of PRs today. Still 1/2 sick too. Cinnamon Toast crunch is the key to all strength gains, im convinced.
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Cinnamon Toast crunch is the key to all strength gains, im convinced.
I was on a call with a noted nutritonist (I don't know if Dr. X (as I'll call him) wants to be quoted on this in writing) the other day. He said that he was convinced that a delicious sugary cereal and protein powder was probably just as good for recovery and/or gains as a specialty recovery drink. At least that any differences would be far too small to measure.

Biotest should market a Surge! Recovery Cereal. Imagine!
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So your workout is over and it's time to reach for your post workout meal. What do you reach for? Here are a few examples of good post-workout choices in order of effectiveness.
1) A specifically formulated recovery drink
1 serving Biotest Surge - (305 calories) - 25g Protein, 50g Carbohydrate, 0.5g Fat

2) A homemade recovery drink
1 serving whey protein + 2 servings Gatorade - (369 calories) - 25g protein, 66g Carbohydrate, 0.5g Fat

3) A whole food recovery meal
12 oz of skim milk + 1 serving Vector - (358 calories) - 18g protein, 65g Carbohydrate, 2.8g Fat
Taken from The Importance of Post Workout Nutrition, 2002

I will say that a while ago when I was in a major bulk (145->170+) I ate vector cereal after lifting in the garage. Stuff worked like a charm.
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I was on a call with a noted nutritonist (I don't know if Dr. X (as I'll call him) wants to be quoted on this in writing) the other day. He said that he was convinced that a delicious sugary cereal and protein powder was probably just as good for recovery and/or gains as a specialty recovery drink. At least that any differences would be far too small to measure.

Biotest should market a Surge! Recovery Cereal. Imagine!
hmm...I'll have to agree with this. I had my best gains when my PWO meal consisted of
1 scoop whey, mixed in water
3-4 big bowls cereal(whatever we had, most of them were "healthy"
4 tbsp honey for cereal/milk

I'm sure if boitest repackaged cheerios as "anabolic carbohydrate blend", people would line up too buy it..they're running a racket over there with surge already.
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Frank, focus on bringing your RDL up and I bet you'll see your deadlift skyrocket.
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Man, I thought I had such a good idea. Vector, huh?


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hmm...I'll have to agree with this. I had my best gains when my PWO meal consisted of
1 scoop whey, mixed in water
3-4 big bowls cereal(whatever we had, most of them were "healthy"
4 tbsp honey for cereal/milk

I'm sure if boitest repackaged cheerios as "anabolic carbohydrate blend", people would line up too buy it..they're running a racket over there with surge already.
I don't think it's as much of a racket as other people. I think the value is overblown, but a good amount of the guys that drink surge would probably do nothing without it. Just go home and eventually (hours later) eat. So, there's definitely value in it. Just not that much compared to plain ol' food. But, that's the business they are in.

Gatorade is more of a racket. They market it to everyone, not just athletes. Most athletes don't need Gatorade, much less a weekend warrior. And, no teenager walking through the school hallways or the mall needs it, that's for sure!

Pomegranite juice, noni juice, acai juice, etc. rackets! Whole grain Cinnamon Toast Crunch? racket! Low sugar Cinnamon Toast Crunch? racket? Why not make Whole Grain Low Sugar Cinnamon Toast Crunch, instead of two lame products? cuz it's a racket!
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[quote=Lost Dog;426945]Man, I thought I had such a good idea. Vector, huh?


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I don't think it's as much of a racket as other people. I think the value is overblown, but a good amount of the guys that drink surge would probably do nothing without it. Just go home and eventually (hours later) eat. So, there's definitely value in it. Just not that much compared to plain ol' food. But, that's the business they are in.
If you're buying surge, you know enough to know to eat something right after working out. I think its a racket as they take protein powder, add some sugar, and virtually double the price.

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Gatorade is more of a racket. They market it to everyone, not just athletes. Most athletes don't need Gatorade, much less a weekend warrior. And, no teenager walking through the school hallways or the mall needs it, that's for sure!
yes it is, I just enjoy hating on biotest
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Pomegranite juice, noni juice, acai juice, etc. rackets! Whole grain Cinnamon Toast Crunch? racket! Low sugar Cinnamon Toast Crunch? racket? Why not make Whole Grain Low Sugar Cinnamon Toast Crunch, instead of two lame products? cuz it's a racket!
this actually sounds like my dad, except replace those products with: cable TV, air conditioning, gas, bottled water, and all brand name food products.

do they really make low sugar cinammon toast crunch?
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do they really make low sugar cinammon toast crunch?
At least they did. I didn't see it last time I looked, but for a while they had normal, whole grain, and low sugar versions of many of those cereals. I'm assuming the normal and whole grain at the same time was just during transition. I think the low sugar one just faded away. The world's not ready for Splenda in kid's breakfast cereals, I guess.
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Mine is whole grain..

The problem is, I didnt have it PWO.. I had it (with about 3cups of whole milk) for about 3-4 meals yesterday hahaha.

PWO today
2 cups frozen fruit (no nasty blueberries eww)
2 cups whole milk
1 scoop whey

Usually dont have anything PWO but I had to run and needed to eat.
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Frank, focus on bringing your RDL up and I bet you'll see your deadlift skyrocket.
I think you are right for sure. The problem is, for whatever reason, my back pumps up so much while doing RDLs that I have a hard time doing them without an extreme amount of pain I'm doing them with good form too. The constant stabalization kills my lowerback. I need to get back to taking taurine everyday and eating bannanas.. that helped big in the past.
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I think PWO nutrition is overrated. Lots of people concentrate way to much time/effort/money into one small peice of the big picture. If people put this kind of dedication to their whole mean plan, imagine the results.
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frank, here's an awesome bulking meal:

Easy Cowboy Beans

OK boys and girls, you're gonna love this coyboy recipe. It makes a great Tupperware take anywhere meal but watch out!.... Coyboys live outside, where you should be after you eat a mess of this grub. If you don't think farts are funny then you better stay away from this one. Don't say we didn't warn you.

1-1 1/2 pounds ground beef or Stew Beef
1 red or green bell pepper, cut into 1/2-inch pieces
1 medium onion, chopped
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1 can (16 ounces) baked beans
1 can (15-1/2 ounces) Great Northern beans, rinsed, drained
1/4 cup ketchup
1/4 cup prepared steak sauce
1 tablespoon packed brown sugar
2 teaspoons Worcestershire sauce

Brown ground beef with bell pepper and onion in large nonstick skillet over medium heat 8 to 10 minutes or until beef is not pink, breaking beef up into 1-inch crumbles.
Pour off drippings; season with salt and pepper.
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SKIM milk? MAN UP!

haha.

That looks really damn good. I am going to have to try that.. I'm a big fan of crockpot chilli too. Honestly, typically me bulking doesnt change that much other then the fact I drink a fair amount of whole milk, and usually have 1 supershake sometime throughout the day.. And I buy fatier cuts of meat.. mmmm.
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see, i take a lot of oils to get my fats, and keep the dairy and animal fats very low. Lots of proteins and carbs.
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That works too, I did try that for a while. Milk is just to cheap and steak is just to damn good for me to do that for long.

heres a basic outline example of my current diet:

8am -
Bowl of oatmeal
8 whole eggs
Bacon or other meat
1-2 cups of milk

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Protien shake with olive oil in it.
fruit

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carbs (potatoes, rice, bread etc)
fruit
some veggies

4 (prewo)
-Whatever I feel will let me workout the hardest. Sometimes its more meat, sometimes is a coke. This meal varies alot. Today for example I had an apple, a plum, and about 3 cups of milk.

7 - Meat of some sort
-pasta/carbs

10 - meat of some sort (usually cook extra at 7)
2cups of milk (at least)

Then usually 9-10 hours of sleep. I track my food every 3rd day usually to make sure im on track.. But sometimes I slack, you get pretty good at guessing. My schedual never really changes so this is easy to follow.
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Ow. Traps are sore today for whatever reason. Still sorta sick. Rest day today.
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Take a video of your RDL.

I'm only 70 pounds shy of your weight, I don't get a back pump at all. It's all in the hamstrings for me.
ps. I'm only 70 pounds under yours. You REALLY need to bring these up:p
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Take a video of your RDL.

I'm only 70 pounds shy of your weight, I don't get a back pump at all. It's all in the hamstrings for me.
ps. I'm only 70 pounds under yours. You REALLY need to bring these up:p
I get a back pump even if I do bentover rows, sometimes even seated rows will do it. Always had this problem If my back is being used at all (even with good form) it pumps/cramps. I hate pumps, I get painful tricep pumps too.

I should try bring up the RDLS for sure though. I had another 50 or so lbs in me the other day but being sick was catching up to me at the end of the workout.

Ill keep the RDLS in the rotation I think, work up to 405 x 10 or something and see if that helps
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That should help
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yeah.. but its going to suck
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What are you talking about? It's going to be fucking awesome. 80 pound improvement on your RDL, for one. Then who knows how much your pull will go up just from improving that weakness. Your PR now will be a damn warm up set.
Jebus man. Get EXCITED!
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good point.. You dont understand how much I hate RDLS! haha. OK Ill do it.
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Painful tricep pumps? wtf? lol

Looking good man, some big lifts there!
I think for most lifts(on average), you do sets of 10+ with my 1rm!
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Looking good man, some big lifts there!
I think for most lifts(on average), you do sets of 10+ with my 1rm!
He reps my maxes, too. But, we don't get painful triceps and back pumps, so we got that going for us. I'm sure he's jealous.
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He reps my maxes, too. But, we don't get painful triceps and back pumps, so we got that going for us. I'm sure he's jealous.
haha pumps are all the worst

ME squat/deadlift in a little bit here.. Still undecided if my shoulders are going to take heavy weights on them yet, may give it a try and see.
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Raw Squats
225 x 2
320 x 1
370 x 1
410 x 1
460 x 1
500 x 1 (15lbs PR).

GHR
bw+ 30 x 6
x6
x6

RDLS
worked up to 350 x 6

BentOver Rows
150 x 10
x 10

I really fucked up my shoulder on that squat PR. It hurts like a bitch god damn, I need to get it looked at.
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