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Old 11-08-2009, 06:09 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Is anyone doing Wendler's 5/3/1

I have the book and I am considering adding this style of lift into my lifting. I am trying to lose weight so I would do a main lift 5/3/1 style and then follow it up with some circuits and stuff.

I just wondered if anyone was doing 5/3/1 and if they were getting decent results.
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Old 11-08-2009, 09:11 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Look around in the logs. Mahler is doing it right now..and quite a few others too

There's 223 results when I do an advanced search for Wendler in the training logs alone..
http://forums.jpfitness.com/search.php?searchid=574764

Apparently Wendler is mentioned in no less than 21 training logs
http://forums.jpfitness.com/search.php?searchid=574766
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Old 11-08-2009, 10:03 AM   #3 (permalink)
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We have a few of our guys doing it, they seem to like it, but the only consistent complaint has been lack of total volume. But, overall our younger guys are doing quite well with it
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I've not read the book myself but wondered.. can it be used for Oly lifting too or are all the lifts prescribed & geared towards PL?
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I would say it is PL focused, you could augment it for OLY
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Do you really need the book to do this program?

I'm reading about it and it seems awfully straight-forward. I'm not being cheap. I'd happily give Jim Wendler some scratch, but I'm just too poor to get the book at this time. But, it really doesn't seem like there is a lot that needs to be discussed. Is there some subtlety that I'm missing?
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buy and read the book, Jim is a good guy and my former college strength coach, he has put out good material well worth the cash
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Yes, you need the book.

Wendler talks about supplementing with oly lifts. He suggesting doing them before your main lifting. It's very spelled out for you: one day is squats, one is deads, one is BP and one is MP.
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I agree. Get the book. Its worth it. I have been doing it the last while and have enjoyed it quite a bit. I get a good workout in minimal time and strength is coming back as well.
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i would suggest getting the book as well. You can do the program without, as all the information is pretty much available online on elitefts and other sites, but it's nice to have all the info in one spot, and all your questions answered on one spot.
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I don't think you need the book if you spend enough time looking around for information on it.

Ive read the book, its good, but its nothing revolutionary.
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Just find a log of somebody who has run the entire program
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Just buy the book! I don't think you'd figure out from my log why I chose the weights I chose, why I chose the reps I chose, and why I chose the accessory exercises I chose. And, you'd have to look at someone's logs over 4 weeks to even try to copy it all from them. I'm not saying it's a difficult program, but the book lays it out nicely. And, Wendler provides some handy excel formulas to use to make your own spreadsheets and you can just plug in your numbers.
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http://www.tmuscle.com/free_online_a..._pure_strength

http://www.elitefts.com/ws4sb/WS4SB.pdf

http://startingstrength.wikia.com/wi..._Strength_Wiki

http://elitefts.com/documents/progre...e_programs.htm

Think of these as four versions of an omelette. If after studying these recipes, you can't make an omelette then buy the book.

Simply place the above "basics" into your favourite programme where the strength slot would be.

I do have to add that if ones intent is to improve their "knowledge" for the sake of their operation/self employment then you can't have too many resources. Books are a cheap investment in your success. Ever notice how many books are behind the desk of the self employed.


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My wife is an olympic lifter and I have been using 5-3-1 for her front and back squats and also her flat back deadlift. It has really kick started her strength levels for her o-lifts

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Thanks, that seals the deal.. am racking up several books I want to purchase.
Have done waveloading in the past but would actually waveload all patterns, like 10-8-6-10-8-6 or 7-6-5-7-6-5 etc.. and even occasionally 8-1-8-1 so it will be interesting to see Wendler's views on that type of higher rep waves.
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Thanks, that seals the deal.. am racking up several books I want to purchase.
Have done waveloading in the past but would actually waveload all patterns, like 10-8-6-10-8-6 or 7-6-5-7-6-5 etc.. and even occasionally 8-1-8-1 so it will be interesting to see Wendler's views on that type of higher rep waves.
you don't do waveloads or any of that crap on 5/3/1. just simple linear periodization.
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yeah Jim Wendler pretty much wrote the book that I should have wrote many years ago. He has that same style that I have used for 30 years, just keep it simple, work hard and keep forcing yourself forward. I actuallly turn a lot of my clients on to it just to give them a simple set and rep scheme to follow.
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Steve, that's a really neat gym you own

Just read the interview and thought it was interesting:
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Maybe my wave variations were different but realllly like the microloading principles and even more the short cycles of 4 weeks!
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