Depends on what you want it for. I think Kono's book is sort of meandering and lacks details--are you looking for something that's completely comprehensive, more light n fluffy, full of pics, what?
Depends on what you want it for. I think Kono's book is sort of meandering and lacks details--are you looking for something that's completely comprehensive, more light n fluffy, full of pics, what?
Thanks for the link! As for why I want it, heavy on pics/drawings would be good, not so much on the light & fluffy. More details would be good. I agree his book meanders, but on the other hand I like the way he describes things when he is writing about the "how-to" of things.
Thanks for the link! As for why I want it, heavy on pics/drawings would be good, not so much on the light & fluffy. More details would be good. I agree his book meanders, but on the other hand I like the way he describes things when he is writing about the "how-to" of things.
Thank you!
you would be better off watching vids, doing the lifts and filming yourself. then compare and contrast the two. This works best if you don't have a coach.
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you would be better off watching vids, doing the lifts and filming yourself. then compare and contrast the two. This works best if you don't have a coach.
Thanks! I do have a coach, I just like books. I think I will try filming myself soon. (Why do I feel dirty saying that online?...)
Hi Brianne. Sorry, I have no book recommendations, but wanted to say welcome to the forum. Definitely look at the links Tina posted and start a log here if you want some feedback.
Hi Brianne. Sorry, I have no book recommendations, but wanted to say welcome to the forum. Definitely look at the links Tina posted and start a log here if you want some feedback.
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Here's an overly comprehensive book, but it is a crappy read:
Here's a review for a different book where it is compared to Kono's and Dreschler's. I have both and like Kono's better just because Dreschler's is more of an "encyclopedia" of o-lifting, while Kono's seems more practical. JMO
Not as comprehensive as the Weightlifting Encyclopedia but pretty good for the novice. Straight forward and precise. It's like the Olympic Weightlifting version of Rippetoe's Starting Strength.
What book is recommended if you are happy with the demonstration videos (see link above: Olympic Lifting Demo Vids ) but would like to be able to set up a routine.
After having spent so many years with following or designing my own lifting routines (mostly full body or UB/LB) , it is weird to be doing Olympic lifts without substantial planning. Feeling lost so to say.
So, which book would help me out?
Or are there cd-roms out there? I've seen a German one , which actually had a combination of both: demonstration of lifts (even in 2 planes if not mistaken) and suggested routines for all levels.
What book is recommended if you are happy with the demonstration videos (see link above: Olympic Lifting Demo Vids ) but would like to be able to set up a routine.
After having spent so many years with following or designing my own lifting routines (mostly full body or UB/LB) , it is weird to be doing Olympic lifts without substantial planning. Feeling lost so to say.
So, which book would help me out?
Or are there cd-roms out there? I've seen a German one , which actually had a combination of both: demonstration of lifts (even in 2 planes if not mistaken) and suggested routines for all levels.
i'm not an OL expert by any means, but i found Jim Schmitz's dvd/book combo pretty helpful. It's really lo-fi, but there is a lot of information there for a beginner, and enough programming to last you a long time. It's available over at Ironmind.
I'm pretty sure I remember Manny doing this program over at Men's Health years and years ago too, but i may be mistaken.
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i'm not an OL expert by any means, but i found Jim Schmitz's dvd/book combo pretty helpful. It's really lo-fi, but there is a lot of information there for a beginner, and enough programming to last you a long time. It's available over at Ironmind.
I'm pretty sure I remember Manny doing this program over at Men's Health years and years ago too, but i may be mistaken.
Alco, your memory sucks. It was CT's program from the Black Book. It was sucky for pure OL.
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Well, I guess I'll just contact the German guy who actually sold me my new Pallini shoes and he might be able to copy it for me.. it's not as if German is all that different from Dutch.
Just funny how I have to translate both Dutch & German terms back into English as I'm more familiar with the English ones because of all the forum exposure.
To elaborate.. for me, about half of the fun from training in a gym, goes into pre-planning my exercises and poring over graphs afterwards... I try to work up to mini-peaks do deloads and then go back again.
Generally I have 4 week cycles, but when I resumed lifting a long time ago, I could go on for 12 weeks w/o needing a deload.
For Oly things worked a bit similar for over 3 months, because basically you start with almost zero capability but decent strength.
But apart from that I've seen that over time I need to incorporate more warm-up exercises, especially after watching others prep for meets or asking the Oly gals here..
Oly lifting almost feels unorganized in comparison to my neatly preplanned regular lifts that nearly always deliver what I have planned for them.. it's far more often hit or miss, which probably goes with the terrain, right?
I still remember that the log title was something like Snatch like Dimas. I didn't know who Dimas was back then.
Haha now you know. Im still not snatching like Dimas, but prolly never will
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have you seen/read schmitz's book and vid? opinion?
Just the book. Not impressed with it.
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"Just remember, somewhere there is a little Chinese girl warming up with your max."-Jim Convroy
"It's a round hole, dammit. Everyone fits."--Anonymous Mod at Strengthmill
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"The strongest steel goes through the hottest fires."-Anonymous
"When you begin to believe nothing is heavy, all weights become light." -Rossbow
"Just remember, somewhere there is a little Chinese girl warming up with your max."-Jim Convroy
"It's a round hole, dammit. Everyone fits."--Anonymous Mod at Strengthmill
Reminds me of what my coach told me when I wasn't gripping the bar during front squats and said Dimas wasn't gripping the bar either "when you clean as much as Dimas does, you can do what he does? "
What's your POV actually on grip during front squat? If left to myself I don't grip it at all, just let it rest on my fingers & clavicle and make sure it doesn't roll back by keeping elbows high.. preferrably no grip at all, as gripping it tightly actually hurts..
I'm a complete Oly noob, but I could never get my hands in position to actually hold the bar during FS... I roll it onto my fingertips and let it wrest on my anterior delts & chest... I usually end up with only 2-3 fingertips on each hand even touching it.
However, I am still working on my transition back to holding the bar after cleans (where I seem to manage to let it roll into position ok) for jerks, so hoping the experts will chime in here...
My trainer wants me to grip the bar firmly and that is quite painful, so I was questioning him on the why of it .. he said it would be dangerous once I'd start on jerks. That's what he said after saying I could do it my way if I was C&J as much as Dimas
I'm flexible enough to have the bb rest on the clavicle and on fingertips but gripping it firmly is a totally different animal..
Actually you DON'T grip hard on jerks. Loose, relaxed hands--you don't push with your hands, you throw the bar through vertical drive from your legs and catch the bar.
Your hands don't really hold the bar in place during FS, really they're there to stabilize. In a perfect world, the bar should rest motionless on a deltoid cushion and not move. Your rack position (high elbows) is important here.
I just ordered Jim Schmitz's book and DVD combo. Sounds like a good cost-to-info ratio (even if the production quality is apparently primitive). I'll post an assessment when I get it and review it (not that I'm an authoritative reviewer; anything but).
I'm getting the resources as a supplement to my work one day a week with a coach (in a group context; he oversees a group of trainees and gets around to me every couple/few sets). I'm only really toying with the o-lifting; one session/workout a week with the coach, one workout on my own, and maybe another day when I mess around with an empty bar.
Good timing, MissDeadlift gave the link to the German software program I was frantically looking for: WinWoTa v. 2.6.1
While my German isn't really up to snuff, the software apparently shows all the lifts both in front as well as side-ways and enables you to mix & match programs.
Also check out Dan John's site if you haven't already. Tons of good stuff. Start with his ebook, "From the Grund Up," and the videos of him teaching the lifts.
Downloaded that book and started reading it.. love the way he writes. Very down to earth! It's 'From the Ground Up' actually .. thought you referred to some outlandish German term or something
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