The Hook grip, do you ever get used to it, as in no pain? I have gotten used to deadlifting it now with 225 with no pain. Can I assume that as I use it with heavier and heavier deads that I will get used to it?
Also, how do you gain confidence in the full snatch? I was going to full snatch 145 today but I pussied out. I could power snatch it to overhead squat, but the thought of snatching and dropping into a squat scared the beejesus out of me. What is a good progression for the full snatch?
I'm not an olympic lifter. But I think using the hook grip for oly lifts is something you can get used to pretty quickly. Using the hook grip for heavy deadlifts is not something many people can pull off I think!
I'm up to 225, haven't tried more but I have gotten used to it.
I "tried" talking to a guy that was Olympic lifting but the guy was an asshole and acted like his shit didn't stink. First time I have ever asked someone for advice in the gym where they were rude.
The Hook grip, do you ever get used to it, as in no pain? I have gotten used to deadlifting it now with 225 with no pain. Can I assume that as I use it with heavier and heavier deads that I will get used to it?
Just suck it up and get used to it until it doesnt hurt anymore.
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Also, how do you gain confidence in the full snatch? I was going to full snatch 145 today but I pussied out. I could power snatch it to overhead squat, but the thought of snatching and dropping into a squat scared the beejesus out of me.
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What is a good progression for the full snatch?
Thanks!
Depends on whats fucking up and who's teaching you. I usually teach from top to bottom, others teach from bottom up or rather just teach the entire movement and let you find your groove. The exercises used will be different based on whos coaching you.
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Depends on whats fucking up and who's teaching you. I usually teach from top to bottom, others teach from bottom up or rather just teach the entire movement and let you find your groove. The exercises used will be different based on whos coaching you.
You teach top to bottom, so given your style of coaching would you work on increasing overhead squatting, the drop snatch, then hang snatch, then snatch from blocks, then snatch from floor? Is this a good thought process?
You teach top to bottom, so given your style of coaching would you work on increasing overhead squatting, the drop snatch, then hang snatch, then snatch from blocks, then snatch from floor? Is this a good thought process?
Depends on the person and what their issues are and how theyre responding to things. I usually teach the pull from top down, then I teach the catch. Then I put it together.
How I do that will depend on the lifter: some people require different cues or exercises I normally wouldnt use, and others not so much.
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I think doing snatch balances (drop snatch) would help get you more comfortable dropping quickly into the bottom of the snatch position. Start with just the bar and add more weight. Doing squat snatches from the hang and working down towards full squat snatches would be another progression. Personally I don't find power snatches to be very helpful in learning full snatch. That's just me.
Hey, I just used the term "snatch" about 7 times in a paragraph. Oh, and I'm not a coach so take whatever I say at your peril.
You don't have to be a coach to give great advice, and you gave great advice.
Here's the deal, I used to be very good at the Olympic lifts, then I went back to powerlifting and my body forgot how to do them properly so I'm working back up. I have never been able to full snatch over 185 and 185 was iffy most of the time. Right now the thing is that I am strong and able to snatch 145, I'm just chicken shit. I need to just suck it up and dump the bar if I screw it.
I used to power clean 295, rack jerk 315, power snatch 185. It sucks to be struggling with 225 cleans, and 135 snatch. I have a long road ahead of me lol.
You will get used to the hook grip overtime. Weeks or months depending how often you train with it so just suck it up! It's gonna hurt in the beginning. Of course, doing REAL HEAVY and high reps with the hook grip will surely cause great discomfort on the thumb..
You do get used to it. Depending on your hand structure it may take a little time. I deadlift over 700lb with the hook grip, I won't deadlift any other way.
Do any olifters just use double overhand? I know for anything that I could snatch/clean I would be fine with double overhand, but thats not much.. I think my best power 'snatch' is like 175lbs.. and its probaly more like an exposive front raise.
With just the overhand grip, grip is puny. Without even knowing what the actual hook grip is all about, I automatically switched to putting the thumb underneath the fingers when I tried to DL w/o the mixed grip.
At first I would switch to mixed grip for the final set(s) but now I can do hook grip just fine. Even then, I need to use hook grip for almost all sets, except for the lightest warmup sets. This is only possible for the smaller barbells as the diameter of the BIG ONE is too large for small hands. That's why you need a women's Olympic bb as a female, unless you're blessed with long fingers.
GqArtguy, I think you are right about teaching the snatch from top to bottom, which is why i've started inserting OH squats into my own program, as it's almost impossible to progress from a power snatch into a full snatch (like Jill is saying). Hopefully adding the OH squat will help build confidence to do an actual full snatch.
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