I know this is the "____lifting" forum but it seems to be the best place to post this. I know allot of you are into competitions, PL, OL, strongman n such. Am I alone on this board when I say I plan on entering a BBing show in near future, as close as mid 2010?. I know everyone has their own view on bodybuilding, but it is what got me started withthe iron and I hear my roots calling me.
Was kind of scared to even post this in my return, and I know I will get some heat from some, but I am assuming there will be some here who will support me in this endevour.
Right now I sit injury plagued and aesthetically lacking, namely in the extremedies. That and I have some symmetrical genetic problems that will hold me back, but I wont let that deter me. Once my rehab is done I will embark on a 14 month clean bulk. Mark my words, I will compete and relatively soon. I would hope I can look to some of you old friends for support.
BBing is hard as hell, packing on size is not easy at all. I have nothing but respect for anyone who enters a bb show because I can imagine the amount of work that it takes to get to that level of conditioning and muscularity.
I would consider doing it if I was not PL focused. The accomplishment would be great.
hah, na, no fat and strong here. I would say PLing gave me a solid foundation. I need to now focus on overall aesthetics, like how my back width dwarfs my chest, my forearms and shoulders overpower my arms and my traps and calves are very far behind. That is why BBing intrigues me, trying to build the balance. That and I would rather talk about it right now then spending my friday night studying finance....who the hell gives a test on a Saturday.
I would still need at least 15 lbs of lean mass. should put me at 190 6-8% at 5"7. think that would be doable.
hah, na, no fat and strong here. I would say PLing gave me a solid foundation. I need to now focus on overall aesthetics, like how my back width dwarfs my chest, my forearms and shoulders overpower my arms and my traps and calves are very far behind. That is why BBing intrigues me, trying to build the balance. That and I would rather talk about it right now then spending my friday night studying finance....who the hell gives a test on a Saturday.
I would still need at least 15 lbs of lean mass. should put me at 190 6-8% at 5"7. think that would be doable.
......your gunna make me log this arnt you zach?
ummmm... yes you're going to log it.
just don't fall into the trap of aesthetics only! get stronger and keep your diet good (like you know how to do), and things will work out. Maybe just work on bringing up your press which will bring up the chest and arms, and trap bar pulls for the traps. Of course, i'll be the first to admit that i'm ignorant when it comes to bodybuilding.
can you overhead press without pain in the elbow?
maybe just stick to isolation stuff for the upper body that doesn't involve pressing until your tennis elbow calms down a bit
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You know me, I build muscle off of compounds. Chins and close grip bench are my arm building tools.
Since I have been doing my grip and forearm exercises daily, along with my stretching, anti inflames and wearing my lil brace thing, I have had no pain doing what have been doing, pull ups, dips, all kinds of push ups, bw rows and the likes. For some reason squatting gave me allot of pain and I was able to do that pain free the other day. This comming week I will be adding resistance training, nothing heavy, and I will continue to add on from there. So far so good,
EDIT- btw my shoulder hasnt felt so good since I Fed it up wrestling 4 years ago. Aslo forgot to mention I have been incing both injuries bour 2-3 times a day and plenty o biofreeze.
I guess being a fan of 70s bodybuilders such as arnold, zane, franco, is what got me started aswell. I like bodybuilding, and am a fan of it mostly for the older "golden age" era, and the way the guys looked back then.
I do have alot of respect for the hard work it takes to get into great shape for competition too.
Posing in speedos infront of a crowd with a fake tan isn't my idea of fun though But rest assured I, and all of us here will be behind you all the way.
Waittz, please don't be one of those kids who stops their bulk as soon as they lose their six pack.
Allow some fat to come, but don't become a fat-ass. You know what I mean. Right now I'm in a bulk but had to cut some carbs back because of too much fat gain. Oh yea, start force feeding.
Waittz, please don't be one of those kids who stops their bulk as soon as they lose their six pack.
Allow some fat to come, but don't become a fat-ass. You know what I mean. Right now I'm in a bulk but had to cut some carbs back because of too much fat gain. Oh yea, start force feeding.
Best o' luck, Waittz.
My last bulk brought me to 201 at 17%. Who needs a sixer when you got a keg.
I will be long term clean bulking this time around. I do not plan on ever again going over 15%. Instead of gaining 20+ in 4 months like last time, I plan on doing it for over a year this time. You do not need to get fat to build muscle. You need to be patient.
I will be long term clean bulking this time around. I do not plan on ever again going over 15%. Instead of gaining 20+ in 4 months like last time, I plan on doing it for over a year this time. You do not need to get fat to build muscle. You need to be patient.
Success=Consistency x Time
I guess I'm impatient then. I prefer the quickest and most efficient route of gaining muscle and won't do a clean bulk.
However, I won't go past 18-20% as far as body fat is concerned. If I do start to get a little too much fat, I cut back the calories.
How many LBM lbs are you expecting in this year-long bulk?
15. You do realize that your body can only build so much muscle each month. Eating more than you need want make you grow more, well it will, but just around the waist.
If you can only build around 2-3 lbs of LM each month, what is the point of trying to gain 8 lbs in that month. A dirty both may be quick, but it is far from effiecient. The time you spend getting rid of all the excess fat you put on could of been spent gaining muscle for 2 more months.
Minus the synthetics, dirty bulking hurts you in the long run, and short run.
I agree 100% with going the clean long route. My next bulk will be over a year long period too. My last one was very short but ultra clean. Dirty bulking makes no sense at all. Figure out your max muscle build and eat to that no more.
15. You do realize that your body can only build so much muscle each month. Eating more than you need want make you grow more, well it will, but just around the waist.
If you can only build around 2-3 lbs of LM each month, what is the point of trying to gain 8 lbs in that month. A dirty both may be quick, but it is far from effiecient. The time you spend getting rid of all the excess fat you put on could of been spent gaining muscle for 2 more months.
Minus the synthetics, dirty bulking hurts you in the long run, and short run.
You could spend less than a year gaining all the muscle you planned to and cutting the fat off.
BTW, I don't recommend a dirty bulk, nor a completely clean one either. Cheat meals are where it's at. In fact you run the risk of not getting enough calories in with a completely clean bulk (at least it is for me when I'm trying to get in 4-5k calories).
You could spend less than a year gaining all the muscle you planned to and cutting the fat off.
Well, ok. Say that you can gain 5 pounds of muscle max a month. So you go about your day and proceed to gain 8 pounds a month. After 5 months you have 25 pounds of muscle, 15 pounds of fat. After 10 months you have 50 pounds of muscle, 30 pounds of fat. At a year, you've got 60 muscle, 36 fat.
By just gaining muscle for the most part, you'd be at 60 pounds of muscle gained, no real fat to lose.
So, in order for the dirtier (not necessarily "dirty") bulker to get back to essentially no fat gain, he needs to stop gaining earlier than the 12 month point to start cutting the fat. If he stops at that 10 month mark, he has 30 pounds of fat to lose in 2 months. Say that's doable. That still means that at the end:
Clean guy gained, 60
dirtier guy gained, 50
So same amount of time, but the guy who didn't do it cleanly sacrificed.
Not that there's anything wrong with whatever way you choose in the end, just that one way is more work... paying for the not so clean fun earlier on.
"Dirty"* bulks are fun, if you're a smaller "hardgainer" type that hasn't learned how to eat and hasn't really added a ton of muscle. If you're not in that category, then I think the "clean"** approach is probably better.
I should also add that the guys that keep on bulking up with the "dirty" style are more likely than not using drugs to both gain muscle and lose fat. Drugs override the natural tendency to stop adding muscle past a point, and trying to come down from 25-30% while keeping all that muscle isn't so easy (or fast).
* By "dirty" I mean no real attention paid to calorie intake. Food quality is more or less irrelevant.
** By "clean", I mean that more attention is paid to daily and/or weekly calorie intake, as in a cyclic diet or the boring-ass long slow bulk with only "clean foods".
Who cares about results, Frank? Besides, all I need is a T-Nation routine and mega-dosing of fish oil.
Just show me one guy who made massive gains (50 and up lbs) from a clean bulk.
I did that, up from about 130(maybe a lil smaller when I first started dunno) to about 185 now training on and off for the last 2 and a bit years(I've been permanently "on" for close to a year now, and will stay that way). Pretty much no fat gain at all, possibly a little bit, but I still stay around 11% which I think is where I started.
Now not even trying to bulk, I'm putting on muscle very, very slowly not paying attention to how much I eat(not eating alot really), about 5lbs in the last 4 months LOL, just means that in 2 years time I;ll comfortable slide into the 198lbs weight class!
And I will eventually(probs end of next year) jump to the 198lbs weight class, in which my goal will be to get to 205-210lbs to train at and cut down for competitions. I don't expect much fat gain at all from that, although I'd be willing to accept a bit. Or maybe I'll bulk to 220 and then cut down to 205
dont waste your breath saying anything intellegent simon. If someone cannot grasp the concept of your body can only build X amount of muscle a week in optimal conditions, they think eating enough calories for X+1000 will somehow force protein synthesis to happen faster.
I did that, up from about 130(maybe a lil smaller when I first started dunno) to about 185 now training on and off for the last 2 and a bit years(I've been permanently "on" for close to a year now, and will stay that way). Pretty much no fat gain at all, possibly a little bit, but I still stay around 11% which I think is where I started.
Now not even trying to bulk, I'm putting on muscle very, very slowly not paying attention to how much I eat(not eating alot really), about 5lbs in the last 4 months LOL, just means that in 2 years time I;ll comfortable slide into the 198lbs weight class!
And I will eventually(probs end of next year) jump to the 198lbs weight class, in which my goal will be to get to 205-210lbs to train at and cut down for competitions. I don't expect much fat gain at all from that, although I'd be willing to accept a bit. Or maybe I'll bulk to 220 and then cut down to 205
I did the same thing from 130. Going from 130 to 180 is easier than going from 200 to 250.
You never hear anyone thats 200+ lbs making a 50 or up lb gain on a clean bulk. Hell, if people want to spend two or more years doing that, then to each his own.
Bodybuilding?
But rest assured I, and all of us here will be behind you all the way.
Besides, all I need is a T-Nation routine and mega-dosing of fish oil.
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