I agree with Waiitz if my opinon as a newbie counts for anything. That guy is thick waisted to my eye and not as nicely cut either. Not my cup o' tea at all.
What difference does it make how long someone has been studying something Julie? Give me a break here. You are old enough to know better. A person who has been doing careful study and surrounding themselves with other knowledgeable people can learn more in a half of a year than a person who has been doing the same thing the same way for 10 years. Your definition of an expert seems to be someone who has been practicing that art for a year or more. I think that is definition has all sorts of holes.
At 6 months of classical guitar study I landed and performed my first paid gig. I was invited back every year since then. Was I a "classical guitarist" at that time or not really because it wasn't a year? I was paid for it.... Hmmm...
If I say something incorrectly then go ahead and correct that thing for me so that I learn from it but let us not bring the conversation down to this level of silliness. If you are annoyed with the way I post but the content is okay then that is most probaby your problem.
The problem is that you're giving out advice to newbies. Not the guys in here, but the newbies around the forum. They take what you say as gospel because you use a tone of authority that's not warranted at this point. You've made many statements that have been proven wrong. You're not lying, but misinterpreting what you're experiencing.
Some of the things you say are irresponsible. You've taken on an air of authority, then made statements like "women should all go on at least one good bulk so as to learn not be afraid of fat gain" (paraphrasing here). Even the long time trainers here don't make statements that are that clear cut. Not good.
Also, you're putting your preferences out there like they are the best way; a year long, clean bulk is best, for instance. That's your preference, it's not the best way. You like to work in a timeframe. That's fine. Others only want to get so fat, then put the kabosh on the bulk and cut some fat for a while. Not a time thing, a leanness thing. Also fine.
On one day a clean bulk is best, the next day you say you were too clean in your bulk. Changing your mind is fine, but how can you continue to be so definitive about all this when you can no longer support the things you were sure of just a month ago?
BTW, your clean bulk was fine, a dirty bulk (if that means more calories) with less cardio (as you also say you are planning for the next time) would have added more fat. Without drugs, we can only add so much muscle per month. For women who are relative newbies, it's about 1% per month. Extra calories go somewhere else. You might need to gain some fat to gain that 1% lean, but if you're hitting that 1%, you can almost be sure that the surplus is going to be fat. Of course, it's hard to tell when you're doing the bulk, as weight comes from water, swelling, and contents of the gut, but you saw how a 10lb or so gain was really just 2lbs of lean mass after 2 or 2.5 months. You probably couldn't have added more muscle in that time, but you certainly could have added more fat.
Dear valued friends. I appreciate both your inputs on the my communications. All I ask is that when I make statements that you do not agree with please call them out IN THE THREADS THEY ARE MADE so the context can be understood.
It is just a tiny bit bullshit to bring a bunch of statements out of context from other threads to this thread and start this sort of pissing battle here.
Really what did I say IN THIS THREAD that began this scrutiny? Julie I would really be interested to hear this from you since you began it. I would love to hear where I crossed you if not in this thread than another.
Also, these guys are hardly newbies from what I can see. They are just young but all have been doing their thing longer than I and from their logs they are doing some pretty darn fine work.
So then we should be discussing this in PM, right?
Julie I am totally approachable and mature about these things if you hit me head on instead of from the side or back. Your attack on me in this thread really came from left field from my perspective. Please let's take it offline and discuss what you would like to see changed very specifically so that I can make it better for all those who are so concerned.
Bad choice of words, I wouldnt call them "attacks" on you, but how you talked to frank, fuleman and myself, that I would call unwarranted and unnecessary. I was pretty shocked to learn that you have only been lifting for 7 months by your tone. I have been doing this for over 7 years. That it was warrants my tone.
If someone talks about bulking, but has only done one bulk and gained only 7lbs, then that gives a red flag to me.
The point is that results only matter to me. I'd rather listen to Frank who has gone farther than the majority of the forum members in size and strength. It's funny that the ones who most hug to studies, articles, et cetera are the ones making the least progress.
Look guys if Julie had a legitamate call-out about something that I said in this thread then it would all be different and fair and even fun. (in fact I really was just having fun with it when I thought it was a legitmate call out) But then Roland jumps in so I see that there is perhaps something deeper going on. It turns out by her own admission that her agenda was very different then to come in and take part in the conversation. In fact it the agenda is about some talking that is going on behind my back which she felt just to put out in the open for some reason.
That is what I am calling out here. Not the fact that she had something to say but that she had an agenda behind what she said. An agenda that I did not know about. I both take and dish and even admit that I am wrong and try to always end it with respect (see that "why" thread again) If however, there is a problem with the way I am communicating and people are PMing her privately about it, then the way to handle it should probably also be done in private. If people talk about me instead of to me then how do I know what is going on?
Also, I wonder when the study will come out that tells me how strong I can get for my given height, wrist and ankle measurements, at any given bodyweight
Also, I wonder when the study will come out that tells me how strong I can get for my given height, wrist and ankle measurements, at any given bodyweight
It's funny that the ones who most hug to studies, articles, et cetera are the ones making the least progress.
Guess that explains why Ive made my front squat goal this year only 200kg
Guess thats why cycomiko can bench more than 200kg.
Guess thats why PMDL has pulled 230kg.
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Hold on, are you really calling out PMDL and GQ? Really?
I wish we would have had this debate before the summit so GQ could have thrown you through a window Friday night.
No, I'm not, ninja. They've made progress. I was pretty much referring to noobs who take articles from a certain site as gospel and say the have studies to back up the articles.
there is no agenda and nothing deeper going on other than people more knowledgable than yourself noting the aforementioned issues with what you've been posting.
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The point is that results only matter to me. I'd rather listen to Frank who has gone farther than the majority of the forum members in size and strength. It's funny that the ones who most hug to studies, articles, et cetera are the ones making the least progress.
LOL. I was gonna troll you for this, but it's been done.
Even in my current train-wreck condition I've still put on more LBM and total size than you, and can outlift you any day of the week.
cyco's stronger than anybody on this site and he's a huge study-hugger.
LOL @ Fuelman shooting himself in the foot
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Karla, there is no hidden agenda and therefore no need to take this to PM ... some people who have commented in this thread, have PM'd me because I am a mod, to express their concern about this thread (and others which I am not going to dig up and reference) about you passing yourself off as an expert bodybuilder when in reality you are still a n00b with only 7 months experience.
Do you really consider what I said an attack? Because I was trying to be subtle and diplomatic! If what I said was truly an attack, and you are hurt, then I am sorry, because that was never my intention. You should know me enough by now here on these boards that I make a point of being nice.
Please don't take offense at this whole thing. I think Roland expressed very eloquently the problem as I see it with the way in which you dispense advice. And it rubs many people here the wrong way ... people who have spent much more time gaining muscle and/or losing fat than 7 months. People who have done everything "right" and still struggled with it. Remember that one person's experience is not necessarily everyone's experience and should not be considered canon.
And to answer your question about the guitar ... did you consider yourself a master after 6 months of play and one paid gig? Is a kid who plays in his first pee-wee football game a football player?
I have been studying all aspects of the human body for more than half my life. In depth study. I went to college to study the human body. I go to conferences each year. I get paid to help people figure out how to get rid of their pain and move more freely. I read something every single day related to the human body in one way or another (be it physiology, fitness, diet, anatomy, physical therapy-related). And yet after 22 years of study, I do not consider myself an expert. People ask for my advice and I dispense it but usually try to preface my statements with IMO or some other such disclaimer because, you know what? Even after all this time spent studying, I can be wrong.
Take it for what you will ...
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No, I'm not, ninja. They've made progress. I was pretty much referring to noobs who take articles from a certain site as gospel and say the have studies to back up the articles.
I'm a nice guy, so I don't want to see you dig this hole all by yourself without any help.
Can you tell us what site you are referring to and which posters you are referring to?
Why did you bring this up out of the blue in this thread, a thread in which only people much stronger than you and more experienced than you have referenced studies?
I'm a nice guy, so I don't want to see you dig this hole all by yourself without any help.
Can you tell us what site you are referring to and which posters you are referring to?
Why did you bring this up out of the blue in this thread, a thread in which only people much stronger than you and more experienced than you have referenced studies?
Karla, there is no hidden agenda and therefore no need to take this to PM ... some people who have commented in this thread, have PM'd me because I am a mod, to express their concern about this thread (and others which I am not going to dig up and reference) about you passing yourself off as an expert bodybuilder when in reality you are still a n00b with only 7 months experience.
Do you really consider what I said an attack? Because I was trying to be subtle and diplomatic! If what I said was truly an attack, and you are hurt, then I am sorry, because that was never my intention. You should know me enough by now here on these boards that I make a point of being nice.
Please don't take offense at this whole thing. I think Roland expressed very eloquently the problem as I see it with the way in which you dispense advice. And it rubs many people here the wrong way ... people who have spent much more time gaining muscle and/or losing fat than 7 months. People who have done everything "right" and still struggled with it. Remember that one person's experience is not necessarily everyone's experience and should not be considered canon.
And to answer your question about the guitar ... did you consider yourself a master after 6 months of play and one paid gig? Is a kid who plays in his first pee-wee football game a football player?
I have been studying all aspects of the human body for more than half my life. In depth study. I went to college to study the human body. I go to conferences each year. I get paid to help people figure out how to get rid of their pain and move more freely. I read something every single day related to the human body in one way or another (be it physiology, fitness, diet, anatomy, physical therapy-related). And yet after 22 years of study, I do not consider myself an expert. People ask for my advice and I dispense it but usually try to preface my statements with IMO or some other such disclaimer because, you know what? Even after all this time spent studying, I can be wrong.
Take it for what you will ...
Thanks Julie for the reply. Yes, you are always diplomatic which is again why I was surprised to see you in here in this manner. I have not ever (to my knowledge) passed myself off as anyone but a newbie. I have never claimed to be right all the time in a thread. In fact if you follow a heated thread through you will see that I often change my ideas (which is something that Roland calls out) How is it that someone who knows everything or claims to know everything can be so bendable? I am very honest in my posts about how long I have been studying this and also about my resuts. I try to documnt what I am learning because I think there is value to that for others not because I am an expert. You know as I look back through this thread, I just don't see where I said anything about being a professional or more than want I am. When I said I was a bber it was in the context of what it was I was studying. Besides.... if people are inclined to find out about me I have a log just like these other guys.
In fact I believe that most of the posts that Roland references are from my log and that is a place where my opinions are just what they are. My opinions. Blogs are supposed to be about the person writing them and what they are thinking not some factual book so my hope is we do not start picking apart my blog. Besides I am very clear in my log from where I come. I don't feel the need to preface everything I write with IMO because to me that is a big NO SHIT on a bboard type of a setting when coming from the mouth of a person not claiming expert status. If I was an expert or a professional then it would be more important for me to make this sort of disclaimer as it is to you. In fact when I read this and many other threads I see peoples opinons being dispensed quite freely without disclaimers and yet nobody else is being called out for this. Honestly I am confused about why it is a matter of importance when I do it versus the hundreds of others. If you can help enlighted me on this I would appreciate it.
I would also very much appreciate it if you could help me to understand in this thread or even another (if you point me to the thread so the context is there) where my words are misunderstood.
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