Offers from our Fitness ExpertsAs the title states, we have a lot of experts who contribute here. Only JP-approved experts can create threads in here, so you can trust that if someone is making an offer in here (free or not) it's going to pass the muster.
Hmm...well, I've been doing CrossFit since January. It's the one program I've stuck to in a long time and enjoy doing. Is it for everyone? Definitely not. Anytime my partner and I have done any heavy lifting, it's never been in a WOD. We take our time and concentrate on form. If anytime during a WOD I think my form is bad, I definitely will drop the weight down.
I will agree that Glassman is a jerk and I'm not crazy about the CF boards because most of the people there can be jerks also if you even dare to questions the program and/or the Zone diet. Glassman 'inventing' (and I use that term loosely) this type of exercising is laughable as we I'm sure we all did this type of exercising running around as kids.
They pretty much let anyone open an affiliate as long as they've attended a Level 1 cert. I'm not in agreement with that (I think they're 3 levels of Certifications). Most people start out their affiliates out of their garage or don't even have a space yet. I don't belong to one because I think paying $150/month is ridiculous. I do agree that there are crappy trainers in all levels of fitness. However, the trainer that introduced me to CF (I had never even heard of it before Jan.) was a good one and I felt I learned a lot from him. Too bad he moved to another state.
Anyway, like I said, the main reason I do it is because it's the only workout I haven't gotten bored with and have stuck to consistently. I haven't become injured while doing so, so I feel I have a good grasp of it for myself. Also, I'm not here to discuss the pros and cons of it. I just wanted to explain why I like CF. I don't care what type of workout anyone does, as long as we're all moving, it's a good thing.
All fitness talk should eventually turn into a discussion about beer. At least that's what I learned from Alan at the last Summit.
See, I told you that the main goal of my talk was to leave you with practical gems you can use for life. Mission accomplished!
PS - for those who haven't heard it yet, heres the direct download of Mike Boyle & Gray Cook discussing the pros & cons of crossfit (Kuri linked this a few months back, it's a good listen):
Boyle got ripped by Glassman and his minions on their own ground, which means exactly shit. Glassman has admitted he is no fan of exercise science (Siff, Zatsiorsky etc...) yet makes all sorts of stupid claims about Xfit being the best for developing GPP in athletes.
The substance abuse explanations make alot of sense.
If only he came to the next Summit he'd learn a thing or two about singing and fine beer from Aragon. Oh, and that Zone diet bullshit too.
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We all know this crossfit is crap but so is most of the stuff going on in gyms around the country. There are "certified" personal trainers doing just as bad if not worse stuff.
Crossfit is a fad and all fads come to an end..... why stress about it. Rather lets just focus on doing a better jobs ourselves and show the pubic what real training (and service) is all about.
This stuff is not really worth our energy. I had my say earlier in this thread providing so evidence to my statements yet no "crossfit" people made any comments to my statements.
There is a trend with these crossfit people. When someone says something against their crossfit they attack the person personally rather than their statements. This speaks volumes.
That dude better look out - Roland is going for his ear!
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Hey give yourself more credit! O-lifts aren't difficult to learn at all, and you don't have to have elite-level technique to benefit from them
Spoken like someone who hasnt devoted and developed any appreciable time and technique in OL. They may not be difficult to learn if you have someone who knows how to teach it, but thats the rub. You dont need to have elite technique, but more often than not, OLs are the lifts where shit form is excusable. Comments like yours further that, and if you cant see the atrocities of many XF OLs, then you need to read your articles where you regurgitated Dreschlers WL Encyclopedia.
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Circuit training is a hot topic in the fitness industry. Many fitness and internet gurus promote circuit training as the best all around fitness training method to maximize all around fitness with one workout. There are companies who have devoted all of their business efforts into spreading the gospel of circuit training. Needless to say, this information is incorrect and represents BS at it's highest level.
My two questions about CF are: (1) what's original about it? (2) what training effects can be had from it that can't be had from another version of cross training?
In the 80s, I used to do what people called giant sets with sprints. I would so something like rack pulls, dips, leg press, and sprints in the parking lot. Should I have named in Barbie and gotten rich?
These days, I will do chins (real chins, not that BS injury in the making "kipping" things CF favors...), incline dumbell presses, and front squats for higher reps with minimal/no rest and 5 mins of HIIT on a stair stepper, for 3 cycles.
Or, I will do Prowler pushing, rope climbing, and tire flipping. I named it "Will."
Is this Cross Fit? If I name it Bob, can I sell it? Cross Training has its place for sure, CF, which is 100% another version of cross training, can also have its place, but there's no doubt in my mind there's better choices for cross training that does not include high rep O lifts, kipping pull ups, etc.
This aint rocket science gang. Sure, if CF gets more people involved with exercise, great, I'm all for it, but every time you get a group of people to do something, they seem to form into a mob of morons who will then claim their "system" is the only one true system (visions of HIT here...) and make it unbearable for the rest of the world who has to deal with these insufferable sheep...I mean people....
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Are you claiming your SWAT guys don't do @fit?!!@$%$
I thought every serious tactical operator had to train for elite fitness across broad modal domains... or whatever that bullshit Coach Otis the Drunk spews is.
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If you want to learn the Snatch and C&J watch "The Worlds Fastest Lift" and "The Worlds Most Powerful Lift" from a now defunct crowd called World Class Coaching.
Step by step, each vid is over an hour and a half long and extremely thorough. If you use a video camera to check your form this is invaluable, especially if you don't have a real lifting coach.
BTW I am supposedly a Certified Level 1 Oly lifting coach and until I watched these vids didn't realise I knew diddly squat. At least I can properly teach a progression safely now ...
Spoken like someone who hasnt devoted and developed any appreciable time and technique in OL. They may not be difficult to learn if you have someone who knows how to teach it, but thats the rub. You dont need to have elite technique, but more often than not, OLs are the lifts where shit form is excusable. Comments like yours further that, and if you cant see the atrocities of many XF OLs, then you need to read your articles where you regurgitated Dreschlers WL Encyclopedia.
This absolutely boggles the mind. Having pregnant women doing WODs with running, single leg squats, ring dips, and burpees... yeah nothing can possible go wrong there.
The stupidity of some @fitters is apparently limitless.
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The speaker in the vid claims all sorts of cross over the other functional exercises, such as cleans, etc. I'm trying to be open minded here, but I cringe when ever I see this exercise being done.
Why would you come to a place that has an overt hatred of CF and ask about it? Anyone who has ever done CF is a sheep and will only repeat what they have been told, right Chris? CFers are almost as stupid as the NROL followers - one of them interrupted me to tell me I wasn't supposed to use my legs during a press.
Well Will's question would be deleted if he attempted to post on @fit boards, so that's difficult.
No Craig, I know a number of cool people such as yourself that do @fit but don't drink the kool-aid. Unfortunately your kind seems to be dwindling in that world as the HQ has gone off the deep end with marketing insanisty and in attacking Dan John and anyone else that dares question Cooch. Hell, nobody does WODs in Rippetoe's gym - what does that say?
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Why would you come to a place that has an overt hatred of CF and ask about it?
My name was used specifically in the thread and I was directed here a while back by the OP. It's a thread on CF, thus, shocking as it is, I thought this was as good a place as any to ask a CF related question. If you are a proponent of CF, feel free to lay the answer on me to that question. Thanx
If you are a proponent of CF, feel free to lay the answer on me to that question. Thanx
Sorry, I am not. I was just trying to let you know that this is a CF hate zone, that is all. If you really are interested in an answer from a proponent of CF, there are better places to ask.
Sorry, I am not. I was just trying to let you know that this is a CF hate zone, that is all. If you really are interested in an answer from a proponent of CF, there are better places to ask.
It was really more of a rhetorical question anyway.
Nice to see you here Will. I think I mentioned this thread to you a few months ago. Glad you made it.
Not all crossfitters or crossfit facilities are the same. I recently conducted a seminar at Kentuckiana Crossfit and I found their views were quiet different than what is held by the majority of crossfitt enthhusiasts I have spoken with.
As Will said Crossift is not a new regimen but it has been marketed very aggressively. I guess it has done pretty well from a financial standpoint.
Nice to see you here Will. I think I mentioned this thread to you a few months ago. Glad you made it.
Not all crossfitters or crossfit facilities are the same. I recently conducted a seminar at Kentuckiana Crossfit and I found their views were quiet different than what is held by the majority of crossfitt enthhusiasts I have spoken with.
As Will said Crossift is not a new regimen but it has been marketed very aggressively. I guess it has done pretty well from a financial standpoint.
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I was going through some blog posts and found the link you had put up to this thread that I had forgotten to visit, but I made it!
Jane, check out this video of my Client Jeff learning how to clean on his first day- he started at age 50 and his only instruction was e-mail and phone coaching from me:
Having just starting learning o-lifts, I have to also agree that they are ANYTHING but easy!! My coach spends so much time on technique with me....over and over again. Prior to my formal training, I *thought* I was doing power cleans correctly. Wrong. Basically, everything I was doing was wrong! I would say that learning o-lifts is the hardest thing I have tried to learn. And, I think that anyone who just gets a few minutes of training or reads about it in a book would never be able to execute an olift properly. At least that's certainly been my eye-opening experience.
ETA: With the above being said, I was going to check out a local crossfit class and now I am wondering if I should! I may be the only one there really concentrating on form and technique during any of the olifts!
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If youre planning on running for long distances, that would be very useful advice.
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Did you just say that Charles Staley doesn't know how to O-lift?
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He does seem to be saying that doesn't he?!?!
No, he might know how to perform or even coach the OL at a basic level, but I said based on his comment that it seems CS hasnt devoted and developed any appreciable time and technique in OL. Jane was sharing her experience (which is a very common one) and to say "O-lifts aren't difficult to learn at all, and you don't have to have elite-level technique to benefit from them" is very misleading especially in the XF context of this thread.
The reality is that these lifts are not easy to learn for many reasons, one of which is that many people cant teach them well to begin with. Sugar-coating this reality isnt going to change the fact. In my experience, people who actually believe the sugar coating either 1) havent spent a lot of time coaching these lifts, 2) havent spent much time perfecting their own form, or 3) are just selling something (esp given this subforum).
Regarding the second part about technique, it depends on the context but the reality is that many coaches, XFers, etc. use that excuse as a crutch against putting serious time into learning these lifts. In general, you hear a lot about perfecting squat form, DL form, etc. but when it comes to OL the response is 'meh you dont need elite form.' This is one of the reasons you see poor form in a lot of XF vids by instructors as well as lifters.
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