4 hour EDT DVD special

[julianne]

Special forum users Lowest price ever-$50.00 If this is something you want now is the time- free ebook with every order as well,
email me at julianne@staleytraining.com a number to call you at. This DVD would also make a great Holiday gift -Jules

[Jean-Paul]

Whoa! How did I miss this one?

I love Christmas time... All the experts practically giving us product like this. Thanks Julianne!

Tell Charles JP says, "Hey!"

[julianne]

hey JP- will do. This special will run through out the week until 12-4-06.-jules

[laxcdn]

I have a question, if I sold computer monitors and was a member of this site and decided to give the members here a discount, could I do that?

[Miszu1]

Since this seems to be a touchy subject with people. Maybe there should be a special section on this board for those with fitness related products to sell. Leave it open to anyone but it has to be fitness related. Just a thought.

[Lost Dog]

Charles and Julianne have both popped over to answer questions and offer help before. Plus, they've doled out free stuff, too.

Isn't that the "requirement?"

Staley's book is in JP's store, as is Berardi's. Both of these guys have products that are highly recommended by JP, as well as many of us. When they have deals to offer, I don't think it's out of line to post them here.

[laxcdn]

I am not saying that it is out of line, I am just wondering what is and what isn't allowed to be sold here?

Does being a member for a while mean it is ok and doesn't have to be fitness related or do you have to be a member for a while and it does have to be fitness related?

[julianne]

wow- I didn't think my little post here would cause this. I put this up because there have been a few here with interest to EDT-like I do on other sites. I thought the discount and free book would be a great incentive, and to some it has been.If anyone has been insulted by this I apologize as that was not my intention-Julianne

[laxcdn]

Julianne, it has nothing to do with with your post about the sale.

[Chris Correia]

Originally Posted by Jean-Paul

Whoa! How did I miss this one?

I love Christmas time... All the experts practically giving us product like this. Thanks Julianne!

Tell Charles JP says, "Hey!"

While you're at it, ask Charles why he suddenly and completely stopped sending/supporting his promised EDT test program to the five (I think) guys who he solicited on the MH board a year or so back. I was one of them. He made the offer in an online discussion to provide programming to a test group. We volunteered. We sent him the backgound info he requested (measurements, etc). We got an initial program, and then a step two, and then we were left completely hanging in the breeze with no further communication and no reply to our emails. It's as if he intentionally avoided us. The five of us sent each other some follow up emails. We had actually been excited, and were following the program. To say I was left with a bad taste in my mouth is an understatement.

Sorry to drop that bomb in here, but JP's fawning just hit me between the eyes. It's as if we only want to pump up the good, without addressing the shortcomings. That's potentially deceptive.

John (Berardi) and any other trainers-marketers reading this: The free info is all good and interesting, and appreciated. It hopefull/probably really helps people. It contibutes to overall greater knowledge within the fitness arena. However, here is the rub, in my opinion: you do that as part of your marketing. No one demands that you do it. You choose to do it. It's part of your marketing strategy. If it works for you, you subsequently sell products and services. If not, if it's not worth your time and effort, then you need a different business model.

What rubs me the wrong way, as it does others I know, is this: Just do it. You don't have to keep telling us how great you are and how wonderful a deal we are getting. Just do it, and promote your products and services otherwise. People will either buy or they won't. When you pat yourself on the back and point out to us what great things we are receiving, it gets tiresome, if not borderline demeaning. It is also trying to force us to admit you are giving us something great and that we are now under obligation to buy from you, or are somehow idebted to you. Gifts are given freely. We get back because we give. We don't necessarily get back because we give and then try to convince people to give back to us.

I do free radio interviews and free seminars throughout my community. I can't ever recall pointing out to someone that I am doing this for free and then chastising them for not signing up for class. I do it because it is a service to the community. Of course, I do hope to get something out of it, to generate interest in the marital arts which will hopefully result in continuing growth for my school and programs. But that's up to people. They get to hear an interview or learn at the seminar. If that's where they stop, fine. If they inquire, I give them info and invite them to the next step. But I never shove in their face the fact that they are getting something for free. It is my gift and service. If they like what they get and appreciate the gesture, they might just pursue it further.

I signed up for Craig Ballantyne's all access pass because he made some free programs available, and he willing and graciously, it seemed, answered some inquiries of mine with some real concern/attention, seeming to never care if I purchased anything. The result: I did purchase, twice. Now some of his emails are getting a bit too huckster-like at times (like a whole bunch of the rest of the stuff out there). I forgive that transgression, because of my initial trust. That initital experience and trust counts for a lot. But if it's never there, or is lost, it's damn hard to get it back.

Alwyn has gotten my trust, and I don't think I've ever gotten anything free from him. I've purchased several of his products. They work, I like them, and he has graciously, with no sense of pushing or marketing, replied to a handful of emails over the course of two or three years. I suppose that is giving me something of value for free. But I recognized and appreciated it. It wasn't pointed out to me. He has my trust and appreciation. I will buy more, and encourage others to do so, as I do with Craig B.

Charles Staley's mistake: if his program worked for me, I probably would have purchased a program, if not put out some money for personal consultation or an online coaching group. But he blew it. A simple message of apology, saying he can't follow through, would have solved that problem.

John (Berardi), you blew it with how you handled the S2B stuff. Way too much attitude and self-congratulations over how wonderful you were being. It's great that you are now offering some freebies, but you walk a fine line in being a gracious giver and pushing people to recognize your graciousness and the value they are getting. We're not idiots. We can recognize and appreciate what we get. If the free info, interviews, whatever are good, they will lead to interest, generate buzz, and get you business. But be careful not to slap the cheeks of they whose hands you are seeking to open and whose trust you desire. Hopefully, you desire their trust, their true, earned trust, and not just their wallets. Othewise, you will be pursing the wrong thing, and ultimately get nowhere.

[ninja]

Originally Posted by Chris Correia

While you're at it, ask Charles why he suddenly and completely stopped sending/supporting his promised EDT test program to the five (I think) guys who he solicited on the MH board a year or so back. I was one of them. He made the offer in an online discussion to provide programming to a test group. We volunteered. We sent him the backgound info he requested (measurements, etc). We got an initial program, and then a step two, and then we were left completely hanging in the breeze with no further communication and no reply to our emails. It's as if he intentionally avoided us. The five of us sent each other some follow up emails. We had actually been excited, and were following the program. To say I was left with a bad taste in my mouth is an understatement.

Sorry to drop that bomb in here, but JP's fawning just hit me between the eyes. It's as if we only want to pump up the good, without addressing the shortcomings. That's potentially deceptive.

John (Berardi) and any other trainers-marketers reading this: The free info is all good and interesting, and appreciated. It hopefull/probably really helps people. It contibutes to overall greater knowledge within the fitness arena. However, here is the rub, in my opinion: you do that as part of your marketing. No one demands that you do it. You choose to do it. It's part of your marketing strategy. If it works for you, you subsequently sell products and services. If not, if it's not worth your time and effort, then you need a different business model.

What rubs me the wrong way, as it does others I know, is this: Just do it. You don't have to keep telling us how great you are and how wonderful a deal we are getting. Just do it, and promote your products and services otherwise. People will either buy or they won't. When you pat yourself on the back and point out to us what great things we are receiving, it gets tiresome, if not borderline demeaning. It is also trying to force us to admit you are giving us something great and that we are now under obligation to buy from you, or are somehow idebted to you. Gifts are given freely. We get back because we give. We don't necessarily get back because we give and then try to convince people to give back to us.

I do free radio interviews and free seminars throughout my community. I can't ever recall pointing out to someone that I am doing this for free and then chastising them for not signing up for class. I do it because it is a service to the community. Of course, I do hope to get something out of it, to generate interest in the marital arts which will hopefully result in continuing growth for my school and programs. But that's up to people. They get to hear an interview or learn at the seminar. If that's where they stop, fine. If they inquire, I give them info and invite them to the next step. But I never shove in their face the fact that they are getting something for free. It is my gift and service. If they like what they get and appreciate the gesture, they might just pursue it further.

I signed up for Craig Ballantyne's all access pass because he made some free programs available, and he willing and graciously, it seemed, answered some inquiries of mine with some real concern/attention, seeming to never care if I purchased anything. The result: I did purchase, twice. Now some of his emails are getting a bit too huckster-like at times (like a whole bunch of the rest of the stuff out there). I forgive that transgression, because of my initial trust. That initital experience and trust counts for a lot. But if it's never there, or is lost, it's damn hard to get it back.

Alwyn has gotten my trust, and I don't think I've ever gotten anything free from him. I've purchased several of his products. They work, I like them, and he has graciously, with no sense of pushing or marketing, replied to a handful of emails over the course of two or three years. I suppose that is giving me something of value for free. But I recognized and appreciated it. It wasn't pointed out to me. He has my trust and appreciation. I will buy more, and encourage others to do so, as I do with Craig B.

Charles Staley's mistake: if his program worked for me, I probably would have purchased a program, if not put out some money for personal consultation or an online coaching group. But he blew it. A simple message of apology, saying he can't follow through, would have solved that problem.

John (Berardi), you blew it with how you handled the S2B stuff. Way too much attitude and self-congratulations over how wonderful you were being. It's great that you are now offering some freebies, but you walk a fine line in being a gracious giver and pushing people to recognize your graciousness and the value they are getting. We're not idiots. We can recognize and appreciate what we get. If the free info, interviews, whatever are good, they will lead to interest, generate buzz, and get you business. But be careful not to slap the cheeks of they whose hands you are seeking to open and whose trust you desire. Hopefully, you desire their trust, their true, earned trust, and not just their wallets. Othewise, you will be pursing the wrong thing, and ultimately get nowhere.

Preach it brother!

[Chris Correia]

Originally Posted by ninja

Preach it brother!

I'm not trying to preach it. I've not participated in some of these topics (marketing, Berardi's presents, et al) because I didn't want to be brief and then be incomplete or misinterpreted. I just finally took the time to compose a post that sincerely expressed what I have been thinking/feeling. Sorry it was so long.

[ninja]

Originally Posted by Chris Correia

I'm not trying to preach it. I've not participated in some of these topics (marketing, Berardi's presents, et al) because I didn't want to be brief and then be incomplete or misinterpreted. I just finally took the time to compose a post that sincerely expressed what I have been thinking/feeling. Sorry it was so long.

(I was agreeing with what you said..... "amen" was too boring)

[julianne]

Chris-
I do not know what happened with this and I will talk to Charles about it. I know back in June I got an email from you for the free ebook and I sent it but you never said anything else to me about that.I will try and rectify this though- pm me a number to call you at if you are interested and I will put you in our distance coaching group for free for 4 months.Putting money where our mouth is so to speak. Maybe this will have no value to you at this point, I don't know- but one of the features is that you can call Charles directly.There is alot of really valuable and educational aspects to the group but it's up to you either way.
As far as marketing goes- yes, we have a product here that ALOT of people find valuable so if there is a discount why not offer it at Holiday time and throw a freebie in it as well? -Julianne

[Chris Correia]

Originally Posted by julianne

. . . I know back in June I got an email from you for the free ebook and I sent it but you never said anything else to me about that. . . .

I KNOW IT WAS FREE! YOU (EVERYONE MARKETING THEIR STUFF) DON'T HAVE TO KEEP POINTING THAT OUT TO US!!

Again, if I get called by someone who attended a (free) seminar and inquires about classes: "You were at the seminar I did and want more information? Great!"

I don't say "You were at the FREE seminar . . . etc."

Small difference? Many of us notice it. But I know, it probably gets to be a habit. Just not with me. LOL

Julianne, thank you very much for the distance coaching offer. I will consider whether it fits into my plans for after the first of the year and let you know if I am interested. Frankly, I am leery about investing myself in something about which I already feel cautious or jaded. Yes, it won't cost money, but it will be an investment of time and effort. Is there a statute of limitations on the offer? I suppose if I was willing to publicly criticize, perhaps I should be willing to let you make ammends. I'll let you know.

[julianne]

I mentioned **** ebook because that is what it was when you took me up on the **** offer. Sorry but that is what it was. Notice how I didn't use the word **** ???

Look Chris- you want to do the coach group let me know either way. No statute to it , just let us know. As you wrote:

"I suppose if I was willing to publicly criticize, perhaps I should be willing to let you make ammends"

It's ok to criticize-it's still a **** country after all.-Julianne

[Chris Correia]

Originally Posted by julianne

I mentioned **** ebook because that is what it was when you took me up on the **** offer. Sorry but that is what it was. Notice how I didn't use the word **** ???

Look Chris- you want to do the coach group let me know either way. No statute to it , just let us know. As you wrote:

"I suppose if I was willing to publicly criticize, perhaps I should be willing