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Old 06-08-2005, 03:33 PM   #1 (permalink)
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A guy shows up at the Canadian-US border with a bloody chainsaw, a hatchet, a homemade sword, and brass knuckles. Border patrol confiscates his weapons, fingerprints him, and lets him into the US.
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Old 06-08-2005, 03:37 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Jeez, and WE get blamed for security issues at our common border?? Go figure.
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Old 06-08-2005, 03:42 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I dunno...he looks pretty stable.

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I saw this article this morning. He freakin cut a dude's head off, left him in the kitchen, stabbed the guys wife, and was picked up walking his pyshco ass down the highway with blood all over him.

I agree Fish, pretty stable indeed!
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Old 06-08-2005, 10:37 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Yeah, I read that this morning too. Like you guys I was just dumbfounded. They're excuse was just because he was odd (not exact quote) that they couldnt stop him!? So what? the freak'n bloody chainsaw and simply CRAZY look doesnt raise some type of red flag? I think this should get a big huge - DUH!!!!
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I saw this article this morning. He freakin cut a dude's head off, left him in the kitchen, stabbed the guys wife, and was picked up walking his pyshco ass down the highway with blood all over him.

I agree Fish, pretty stable indeed!
You left out the part of the head being in a pillow case under the kitchen table.
 
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Old 06-08-2005, 10:58 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Perhaps they saw that he was Canadian and saw nothing unusual [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Man thats a piercing gaze. Hes got pretty good traps on him, but that dead fish on his head has got to go.

Man I cant believe the excuses given for this guy. There wouldve been hell to pay if he had murdered someone here.
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Perhaps they saw that he was Canadian and saw nothing unusual [img]tongue.gif[/img]

He's a naturalised US citizen
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Yeah, I read that this morning too. Like you guys I was just dumbfounded. They're excuse was just because he was odd (not exact quote) that they couldnt stop him!? So what? the freak'n bloody chainsaw and simply CRAZY look doesnt raise some type of red flag? I think this should get a big huge - DUH!!!!
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"Being bizarre is not a reason to keep somebody out of this country or lock them up. ... We are governed by laws and regulations, and he did not violate any regulations."
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Perhaps they saw that he was Canadian and saw nothing unusual [img]tongue.gif[/img]

He's a naturalised US citizen [/quote]Yes, naturalized, as in, "born in Canada." [img]tongue.gif[/img]
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Interestingly enough, if you read the entire article the US immigration officer said that they kept him for 2 hours, tried to find a reason to detaion him, buit since he was a US citizen, they could not refuse him entry and had no legal means to detain him.

US protections of rights of citizens are jealously guarded. There is after the presumption of innocence.

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They're excuse was just because he was odd (not exact quote) that they couldnt stop him!? So what? the freak'n bloody chainsaw and simply CRAZY look doesnt raise some type of red flag?
If he was dark and swarthy, and had a name like Hamid Abdella, weapons or not, they would have arrested his ass.
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Perhaps they saw that he was Canadian and saw nothing unusual [img]tongue.gif[/img]

He's a naturalised US citizen [/quote]Yes, naturalized, as in, "born in Canada." [img]tongue.gif[/img] [/quote]And he was welcomed by the US [img]tongue.gif[/img]
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If he was dark and swarthy, and had a name like Hamid Abdella, weapons or not, they would have arrested his ass.
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Why wasn't the bloddy chainsaw enough to hold him?
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Because they don't have crime labs at the border and couldn't determine what it was, blood, rust paint, whatever. If they could determine it was blood, they couldn't determine if it was human or if he was some crazy cow butcher.

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They're excuse was just because he was odd (not exact quote) that they couldnt stop him!? So what? the freak'n bloody chainsaw and simply CRAZY look doesnt raise some type of red flag?
If he was dark and swarthy, and had a name like Hamid Abdella, weapons or not, they would have arrested his ass. [/quote]And if it was a grandmother with a hatpin, she'd be in Federal Prison by now. LOL

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They're excuse was just because he was odd (not exact quote) that they couldnt stop him!? So what? the freak'n bloody chainsaw and simply CRAZY look doesnt raise some type of red flag?
If he was dark and swarthy, and had a name like Hamid Abdella, weapons or not, they would have arrested his ass. [/quote]Good call JP. JP and I have talked about this issue at length and he is right. I know a number of naturalized US citizens, some citizens for over 35 years, who were held for anywhere from 4 to 8 hours upon returning from travel overseas, apparently because they fit a stereotype. No questioning, just rudely told to 'sit down and shut up' and when they asked why they were told, 'you have no rights here.' When finally cleared and allowed entry, when some of them have asked what they can do to rectify this situation so that it does not occur again, they were told 'pursuing what just happened will make it much worse for you - better not" in a very menacing tone. Some of these people are relatively old - in their 70s! Welcome to the post-9/11 America where, citizen or not, you too can get treated like shit if you are the wrong skin color or emigrated from the wrong country. If this behavior is any indication, in the eyes of the government, all citizens are not created equal.

Being inconvenienced for the sake of national security is one thing - usually apologies follow with errors - but being mistreated, threatened without cause, and subjected to conditions no one should is something that should not occur.

Personally I believe this egregious and extremely ineffective profiling (I know the people this occured to well) just shows how much grasping at straws our government is doing to try to keep us safe. It's apparent they either have absolutely no idea what to look for or, hopefully not, are pursuing a systematized pattern of intimidation and discrimination. Neither option is very reassuring.
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Bicyclists? That lean guy doesn't exist anymore - I've been trying to find him again, even had Craig looking, to no avail.
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You know where to find him, you just have to get off your ass to do it, brother.
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