That's more than a bit twisted... 12???? Do boys even have pubic hair at 12 these days?
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BOISE, Idaho — Esmeralda Ahumada, 21, was sentenced Monday to up to seven years in prison for felony injury to a child, but she could be released on probation early next year.
Third District Judge Renae Hoff retained jurisdiction and will revisit the case after Ahumada has had about six months of treatment in the Department of Corrections mental health unit in Pocatello. If Hoff receives a favorable report, she could consider the defense recommendation that Ahumada receive probation and community-based treatment for her mental health, drug and sex abuse issues. If the report is unfavorable, Ahumada would likely be required to serve at least three years in prison.
Ahumada sobbed throughout her statement to the court Monday, saying she is sorry for having sex with the 12-year-old son of her roommate while the roommate was in the hospital last fall.
The boy's mother gave a victim impact statement but spent more time expressing sympathy for “Essie” than talking about the impact on her son. She said she is “torn between them” but stressed she does not choose Ahumada over her son.
She said the boy is in counseling and “has his own issues from a lifetime of abuse. It’s difficult to tell what effect Essie has had on him because it’s all run together.”
Of course she'll get a break, she's a woman and courts don't take child molesting women seriously. If she were a man, they wouldn't be revisiting the case in six months.
+1 to Greg. Shit, if the boy was 15 and the woman 23 then he would've gotten a high-five and she would've probably got nothing. But yeah, reverse the sexes and the predator's gonna fry.
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I was about to say "woo hoo! I'd have been well up for that when I was that age!".
But then I saw he/she/it's picture.... Lock 'em up. Throw a way the key!
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Of course she'll get a break, she's a woman and courts don't take child molesting women seriously. If she were a man, they wouldn't be revisiting the case in six months.
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+1 to Greg. Shit, if the boy was 15 and the woman 23 then he would've gotten a high-five and she would've probably got nothing. But yeah, reverse the sexes and the predator's gonna fry.
Gotta agree with these. And, why is the guy always just some sleazeball predator and the woman always someone with "mental health issues?" The double standard continues.
And, of course, the victim gets lost in the process.
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Double standards apply when a double standard exists.
Not saying that necessarily applies to this case, mind, but in general you're going to have a much harder time making the case that a (normal) teenage male is going to be in any way victimized by having an older chick "take advantage of him".
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Yes, and the reason you're going to have a much harder time is because society views older women/teenage boy relationships as seduction, whereas older men/teenage girls is predatory. The Boise newspaper has a decent article on it:
Yes, and the reason you're going to have a much harder time is because society views older women/teenage boy relationships as seduction, whereas older men/teenage girls is predatory. The Boise newspaper has a decent article on it:
Simply because the double standard exists doesn't mean you should apply it, or that it is just.
This society view has a good deal of truth to it. Seldom does a woman target a very under aged victim. On the other had sexualizing very young male teens is likely harmful to the boy. Another issue woman to boy is that the power differential has a different, and probably less traumatic, dynamic.
I realize it's culturally taboo to suggest that teenagers are able to responsibly have sex, yet for most of human history that's exactly what happened. They're biologically ready for it; otherwise they wouldn't be developing physiologically and having the urges. It's the cultural framework that says otherwise, nothing inherent to our biology or psychology.
Really the counter-argument that should be brought up here is the (in)ability of teenagers to make rational choices within the societal framework. Or the potential of an authority figure exerting disproportionate control. I can at least get behind that (though in the case of the former I can see where it needs to be a case-by-case thing), vs. the handwaving tautology "it's wrong because it's wrong".
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Matt, we're actually fairly in agreement. There's a pretty wide spectrum here. On one end you have 21+ women abusing young boys (12 counts as a boy) and on the other end you have boys in their late teens engaging in sex with women a few years older than them. State consent laws tend to understand that they're not the same, and I'm not saying they are.
However, I'd question the maturity of a man or woman in their 20s who chooses to associate with high schoolers, whether or not it's a sexual situation. Especially "mid" 20s, which means you're looking at somebody 6-10 years older and (hopefully) in a different position in life.
Anyways, my vehement reaction to such "relationships" is that they're usually some sort of abuse of power. Whether it's a Scoutmaster, schoolteacher, coach, religious authority, etc., there will always be people who abuse their position of trust and authority over young children/preteens/teenagers. Without going into specifics, a male I know was/is involved in such a situation with a woman who used her authority over him in a predatory sexual manner. Just because someone is "very willing" doesn't mean it isn't abusive or inappropriate.
But yeah, a 17-year-old guy banging some 20-year-old chick he met at the mall (or wherever teenagers hang out anymore) is not the same thing.
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21 y/o woman + 12 y/o boy=
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