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Old 02-15-2008, 12:03 PM   #1 (permalink)
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____C2H4(g) + ____O2(g) ā ____CO2(g) + ____H2O(g)


I need the proper coefficients to balance the above equation. Anyone?
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a 2 in front of the CO2, a 2 in front of the H20, and a 3 in front of the O2

that gives you 2 carbons on each side, four hydrogens and six oxygen atoms.

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That's assuming that the a is supposed to be an arrow, and not some new symbol that I haven't been taught.
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Oh - combustion - gotta love it.
not the answer - but a how to get there:

take the leftside, assume 1 for the first term (since it is the most complex and has biggest subscripts), add coefficients to the rightside to balance the C, then the H - and then go back and balance the O on the left side.

at least that's how I'd do it today. if that isn't enough of a hint, let me know

ETA: Matthew gave the answer while I was typing.
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OK, here are the possible answers for the blanks:

a) 1,1,2,2
b) 1,3,2,2
c) 2,3,4,2
D) 2,2,4,2

I'm leaning towards B
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are you really still not sure - or did you miss Matthew's post and then my post because you were cutting and pasting?
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seriously still not sure! LOL!

Editing to say that I am fairly positive on all the rest of the exam....this is the only one I am hedging on because I just don't "get" these equations like I should. BUT, even if I miss this one question, I'm pretty certain on all the others!
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It's 1322.....I'm sure it has to be
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matthew left out (because it was implied) that the 1st term would get a one. better?

if push comes to shove and it is multiple choice and takehome/homework - you can try each choice, do the math and prove it right or wrong.

Do you know how to do the math? Coefficent times subscript for each Element - and sum them up per side, per element and see if it "balances" ?

so:
left: 1 C2H4 + 3O2 = 1 X C2 = 2 C ; 1 X H4 = 4 H ; 3 X O2 = 6 O
right: 2 CO2 + 2H2O = 2 X C = 2C ; 2 X O2 = 4O ; 2 X H2= 4H ; 2 X O = 2 O
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Left.: 2C, 4H, 6O
Right: 2C, 4H, 6O (4O+2O)
so it balances.
now do you see?
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I think that's basically what I did, Lisa, even though I don't entirely get it. I had eliminated choices A,C,D because mathematically, it appeared impossible. And choice B seemed to work out (though not sure HOW I figured that!). So, I had put B next to that question with a question mark and I kept going back to it and second guessing myself. So...good to know I got it right to begin with!

Thanks for the math explanation. I'm going to study that and see if the way YOU explain it helps me better than my absent-minded prof!
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look at post #4 - that should help with how to approach the problem logically even if it isn't multiple choice -
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redox rxns are a little trickier - but doable still. don't think you have those yet though.

here are some internet tutorials & interactive sites with graphics and good explanations:
simple tutorial:
Balancing Chemical Equations
another explanation of method
How can I balance an equation?
using more tricky examples (same technique)
http://www.chemistry.ohio-state.edu/betha/nealChemBal/
here are some interactive/quiz sites with simple examples that you can practice with -
use the "give me one" on the left
Creative Chemistry Balancing Equations

more:
Classic ChemBalancer - Question 1
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Brain Boggle ChemBalancer - Question 1
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Hey, maybe YOU should be my prof!

Thanks for taking the time to find all of those links for me.....what a gem you are! I'll credit you for saving my 4.0 GPA when I get an A in this class!
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when I took GChem, OChem & Physics, the internet was definitely my friend, providing cartoons, tutorials and little quizzes whenever I needed them. And I think there is more out there now then a few years ago.
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Wow I am so happy I got a 5 on my AP chem exam and never have to see this stuff again.

Although if you're having trouble with balancing equations, just know that it gets much worse.
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I have a MS in chemistry, and teach general chem at a local college for 3 years now. Can I be of help?

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i hated chemestry.. then i took it in uni and loved it. weird how that works.
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I only need to get this class out of the way and then that's all the science I need, thankfully!

Rem, I may need some help with the next exam....we'll see!! I'll be sure to come back here for help from all of you geniuses! And, how great for me to have a Chem teacher right here on this board!
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Way to go shark.

missjane, what program are you taking?
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missjane, what program are you taking?

I work full-time in IT, but am going to college on the weekends for a Bachelors in Social Sciences with a major in Psych.
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I'm available any time Jane! For free....
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Trying to change careers or trying to develop deeper people skills to move up in mgmt?
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That's awesome!
I love psych. I always say that when I'm working full time, if I'm going to go back to school it will be to take psych.

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Neither.....just really wanted to do it. I'll just see where it leads, if anywhere.
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Neither.....just really wanted to do it. I'll just see where it leads, if anywhere.
Good luck with it. I'm still trying to find a best time for me to finish my degree, now that I'm finally Junior status.
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In case anyone was wondering (probably not!), but I did end up with an A in this class!
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In case anyone was wondering (probably not!), but I did end up with an A in this class!
No no, WE (as in JPF) ended up with an A.

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Wow, painful flashback to 1982 ochem class. I got a perfect 40% on every exam, including the final.
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