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Old 12-11-2007, 08:09 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I have to get a laptop for school (software development/network engineering).

I'll use it mostly for writing code, probably also for downloading class lectures etc. I might download photoshop/something similar and play around with that when I'm bored. Basically though, it's for school work.

In case it matters, the minimum system requirements I was given are
CPU speed : 2000 MHz
RAM : 2048 MB
Hard Drive : 120 GB
Video Card : 128 MB
Operating System : Windows XP Professional
Service Pack Level : Service Pack 2


I went to the local Future Shop and they told me I can't get a laptop with Windows XP, everything's using Windows vista now. The school's website specifically says not to use Windows vista though, so that's no good.

I'll probably have to order one online and I'm wondering if you guys have any suggestions, either for a site to order from, or for a specific model to check out, or specific things to ask for that might come in handy for my program.

ironically I don't know anything about computer hardware. So really, any input is appreciated.

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ps. if you ordered a laptop online, where did you order it from/have you had any problems with it?

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Look on newegg for a barebones, no OS included laptop.

But it's not looking good for XP. It seems Gates has strongarmed the market into forcing them to "upgrade."

Also, google.

Here's a page:

notebook windows xp
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Old 12-11-2007, 08:26 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Look on newegg for a barebones, no OS included laptop.

But it's not looking good for XP. It seems Gates has strongarmed the market into forcing them to "upgrade."

Also, google.

Here's a page:

notebook windows xp
He is in Mississauga, ON which means he can't order from NewEgg. For some reason Newegg will deliver to Puerto Rico but not Canada

I would try NCIX.com (not sure if they sell laptops), or TigerDirect.ca, or even Dell.ca. You might get lucky and they will let you downgrade but the most likely scenario may be that you have to get a copy of XP and format and reinstall XP on your new laptop.

Also if there is a best buy around you check there, they have most of the same stock as Future Shop (about 70% is the same) but the staff is generally more knowledgeable and they don't work on commission so they won't try to sell you a lot of crap you don't need.
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I just got an Acer from Best Buy
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I bought my wife a Dell for Christmas, the Inspiron 1501. Below is the spec, I left it at 1Gb memory because I can get an upgrade from Crucial for half as much. Total was about $700, here's the spec:

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Old 12-12-2007, 12:20 AM   #6 (permalink)
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He is in Mississauga, ON which means he can't order from NewEgg. For some reason Newegg will deliver to Puerto Rico but not Canada
That's seriously f***ed. I didn't know NE didn't do business with CAN.

I chose NE because all others were putting on Vista, with no choice to back peddle.
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He is in Mississauga, ON which means he can't order from NewEgg. For some reason Newegg will deliver to Puerto Rico but not Canada
But he is not far from Buffalo, so Matt if you check the US site, have it delivered to a friend in Buffalo. No friend in Buffalo? Then, check who knows someone IN Niagara Falls and the will know someone in Buffalo.
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Dell still offers Windows XP on select pc's.

Dell Inspiron PCs With Windows XP
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Considering how cheaply you can get Windows XP, I would not limit myself to only laptops with Windows XP. My Recommendation? Get yourself a Thinkpad T61. It will cost around $900 for the specs you mentioned. It is lightweight, durable, a good compromise between screen size and carrying size, has an available dock, has great web reception...the list goes on.
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If you are unable to find one with XP, you can pick up the OS and install it in place of Vista.
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Dell still offers Windows XP on select pc's.

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Didn't see that!

I definitely recommend a Dell if you're going to get a laptop.
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i use a dell laptop to do all my forum surfing, school work and facebook trolling, and it's worked well since i graduated from high school in 03'.
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Old 12-12-2007, 06:25 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Awesome, thanks a lot guys. I won't have time to look into this until the weekend (working long hours, only get about 10 minutes on the computer at home) but I'll check out the links you guys posted and your other suggestions and I'll get back.

Thanks again, I really appreciate it.
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Old 12-12-2007, 06:36 PM   #14 (permalink)
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I thought all cs guys used linux

I have a dell XPS M170 its easily got the specs you need but I think they are quite expensive (got it from a generous 'research budget' ) . Great laptop though.. and it comes with a backpack ahaha.

I have a Toshiba laptop too with approx those specs, the thing is not as well built as the dell surprisingly. Ive had to crack it open 3x to clean out the fans (the only way) because it kept overheating.. most people couldn't do this.

I also have a mac.. its the best one, but... you know.. its a mac.

Just get something that is quality, even if it costs a few dollars more. Cheap laptops always have problems from my experience. Ive had like six or seven laptops in the last 2 years and thats the way i see it. Ive bought stuff from NCIX before and they have been great too.

Im tempted to pick up a cheap laptop off ebay but im hesitant to recommend that due to the little warentee.. shipping / customs costs etc. but boy are they cheap.
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Ok so after a bit of looking around I decided to build a laptop at the Dell Canada site. Here's the breakdown, let me know if you guys think this is a good deal or not. This will be the first computer I buy myself, so I really don't know what's worth what.
This will cost around 1300, after a 200 dollar rebate.

I tried to edit this to make it easier to read, but I can't. Sorry.

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PROCESSORIntel® Core™ 2 Duo T7500 (4MB cache/2.2GHz/800Mhz FSB), Englishedit
OPERATING SYSTEMGenuine Windows® XP Professional, Englishedit
SYSTEM COLOURMidnight Blue Color with Microsatin Finishedit
LCD DISPLAYGlossy, widescreen 15.4 inch display (1280 x 800)edit
INTEGRATED WEBCAMIntegrated 2.0M Pixel Webcamedit
MEMORY2GB Shared Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 667MHz, 2 Dimmedit
HARD DRIVE120G 7200RPM SATA HDDedit
GRAPHICS CARDIntel® Graphics Media Accelerator X3100edit
OPTICAL DRIVE8X CD/DVD Burner (DVD+/-RW) with double-layer DVD+R write capabilityedit
Essentials
PRODUCTIVITY SOFTWAREMicrosoft Works 8. DOES NOT INCLUDE MS WORD, Englishedit
Dell Recommends
Increase your productivity! Microsoft® Office Home and Student 2007.
Upgrade to Microsoft® Office Home and Student 2007, English [add $159 or $4/month1]
WIRELESS CARDDell Wireless 1390 802.11g Mini-Cardedit
INTERNET ACCESSPlease contact me with more detailsedit
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Upgrade to 3 months of Sympatico Total Performance Internet Service included (ON&QC) add $0
SECURITY SOFTWARENo Subscription (only 30-day protection)edit
ONLINE DATA STORAGEDataSafe Online Backup 3GB (included with price)edit
HARDWARE SERVICES1 Year Return to Depot Service and Technical Supportedit
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BATTERY OPTIONS85 WHr 9-cell Lithium Ion Primary Batteryedit
SOUND OPTIONSHigh Definition Audio 2.0edit
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ALSO INCLUDED WITH YOUR SYSTEM
Network Card and ModemIntegrated 10/100 Network Card and Modem
Adobe SoftwareAdobe® Acrobat® Reader 7.08
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I would get a different graphics card. Most onboards are crap. the extra 80-100 bucks is well worth it even if you aren't planning to play games.
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You're right Jokerz. After looking at it, I needed to upgrade the graphics card just to make the minimum requirements anyway.
Thanks for pointing that out.
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As I said...
ThinkPad T61 15 Widescreen - 1 Yr Depot Warranty
Description Part number Unit price* Quantity Price*
ThinkPad T61 15 Widescreen - 1 Yr Depot Warranty
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6459CTO $1,360.50 1 $1,360.50
System Processor: Intel® Core™ 2 Duo T7500 (2.2GHz 800MHz 4MBL2)

1
Operating System: Genuine Windows XP Professional

1
Operating System Language: Genuine Windows XP Professional - US English

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Display Panel: 15.4 WSXGA+ TFT

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System graphics: NVIDIA Quadro FX 570M (256MB Open GL)

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Total memory: 2 GB PC2-5300 DDR2 SDRAM 667MHz SODIMM Memory (2 DIMM)

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Keyboards: Keyboard US English

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Pointing Device: UltraNav (TrackPoint and TouchPad)

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Hard Drive: 120GB Hard Disk Drive, 5400rpm

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Optical device: CD-RW/DVD-ROM Combo 24X/24X/24X/8X Max, Ultrabay Slim

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System expansion slots: PC Card Slot & Express Card Slot

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Card Reader: 4 in 1 Media Card Reader

1
Wireless cards: Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG

1
Battery: 6 cell Li-Ion Battery

1
Power cord : Country Pack North America

1
Language Pack: Language Pack US English

1

Apply coupon code "USPSAVEDEC" on lenovo's website when its in your cart and it cuts the price to 1,179.00





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A Dell 1520
SYSTEM COLORJet Blackedit
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OPERATING SYSTEMGenuine Windows® XP Homeedit
DISPLAYGlossy, widescreen 15.4 inch display (1280x800)edit
VIDEO CARD128MB NVIDIA® GeForce® 8400M GSedit
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HARD DRIVESize: 160GB SATA Hard Drive (5400RPM)edit
INTERNAL OPTICAL DRIVECD / DVD writer (DVD+/-RW Drive)edit
WIRELESS NETWORK CARDSDell Wireless 1395 802.11g Mini Cardedit
INTEGRATED WEBCAMNo Webcam Optionedit
BATTERY OPTIONS56Whr Lithium Ion Battery (6 cell)edit
SOUND OPTIONSHigh Definition Audio 2.0edit
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Processor BrandingIntel® Core™2 Duo Label
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PHOTO AND MUSIC SOFTWARENo Entertainment software pre-installed

Apply the coupon code ZDWPS9CZT37LLB to get this configuration for $1217. But I'd choose the thinkpad.
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Sorry Zach, I meant to reply to your earlier post.

My sister had a ThinkPad, and we had a bad enough experience that I don't really want to risk getting another one, even if these models are better.

Thanks for your help though man, I really appreciate it.
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One last vote for the Thinkpad...statistically it would be silly to base an opinion of a company on an anecdote, even personal (unless its something that would be true all the time - like a bad policy).

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Notebook PCs: ThinkPad and PowerBook Users Most Satisfied

Laptops from Lenovo (née IBM) and Apple topped the satisfaction charts in reliability for the second year in a row. eMachines, another of last year's chart toppers, lost momentum this year, ranking at the low end of average for system reliability. Sony's products showed marked improvement from last year, when readers criticized both the company's service and the reliability of its products. As in the last survey, Compaq's ratings were among the lowest of any notebook manufacturer. Oddly, even though HP and Compaq are one company, HP-branded notebooks scored in the middle of the pack for both reliability and service, beating those with a Compaq logo.
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