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I'm using open office currently. It sucks. It corrupts important files, changed everything into a notebook file. Probably back to Word for me.
Used open office for 2 weeks for school and got dinged every paper for "problems" with spacing\font\font size\borders\you name it. Office came in and haven't had an issue since.
But seriously if you don't know how to use Word properly it can be the devil.
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If your sick of windows use linux.. youll be even more angry when 1/2 your programs dont work. hah.
Then you're doing something wrong. Linux is rock solid. I've run SQL servers, paint programs, browsers, various window managers, on Slackware, Debian, RedHat, and SuSE with no problem.
linux is awful. I took a computer class, and the professor kept talking about linux b/c he hated microsoft i think. The program looked ridiculous.
the reason windows is so successful is because most anyone can understand the interface. That, and the monopoly.
I ran linux for four or five years as my exclusive OS in an end-user dial-up environment. In that time, I had one major problem.
You people who think linux is bad just don't bother to learn it. Not trying to be an azz, even though I know that is how I'm sounding, but linux is solid.
I need windows for games, but truthfully, linux is perhaps your best solution for a stable, reliable platform for almost any need (except games).
Need a web server? Linux. Need a DB server? Linux. Need a file server? Linux.
MS will try to push the maint cost argument, but I work in operations in the IT center for a major corp. Windows machines go down at the rate of 1-2 a day. Unix/Linux, maybe 1-2 a week and it's usually filesystems filling up. Windows machines will simply crash and lock right up. Linux has no more maint cost than windows, with perhaps 1/100th the number of virus attacks.
I ran linux for four or five years as my exclusive OS in an end-user dial-up environment. In that time, I had one major problem.
You people who think linux is bad just don't bother to learn it. Not trying to be an azz, even though I know that is how I'm sounding, but linux is solid.
I need windows for games, but truthfully, linux is perhaps your best solution for a stable, reliable platform for almost any need (except games).
Need a web server? Linux. Need a DB server? Linux. Need a file server? Linux.
MS will try to push the maint cost argument, but I work in operations in the IT center for a major corp. Windows machines go down at the rate of 1-2 a day. Unix/Linux, maybe 1-2 a week and it's usually filesystems filling up. Windows machines will simply crash and lock right up. Linux has no more maint cost than windows, with perhaps 1/100th the number of virus attacks.
Good post, but I would also throw in OSX as a soltion for a stable operating system which also sucks for games. LOL. Of course you need to pay for commercial software to run on it but I think that might balance out in the long run if you look at all the "support" tie that linux needs for a non IT specialist.
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I wish I knew some Linux IT stuff. All that I'm learning right now is Server 2003, Sharepoint, and Exchange.
Buy/get an old computer, 386 or above, at least 10 meg of disk space, 256M ram...you can set up a linux box in that. It'll run on that, a bit haggard, but it will run.
I ran 4-5 years on a 486 and it was the best running system I ever owned.
Get some good novice to intermediate level books. Be prepared to read! It works just like Unix. Even though it was designed from scratch, it was designed to behave like Unix.
Then you're doing something wrong. Linux is rock solid. I've run SQL servers, paint programs, browsers, various window managers, on Slackware, Debian, RedHat, and SuSE with no problem.
Ive spent my fair share of time on linux systems, i am finished my comp sci major haha.
I was just saying that it takes an extra step, some people freak out when they cant use 'word' or whatever non open source program.
Cheap linux systems are excellent.. I suggest getting something that will run ubuntu.. its a very nice os with lots of support. If I used software that ran on linux i would be over there in a second.. until then its windows and osx.
I ran linux for four or five years as my exclusive OS in an end-user dial-up environment. In that time, I had one major problem.
You people who think linux is bad just don't bother to learn it. Not trying to be an azz, even though I know that is how I'm sounding, but linux is solid.
I need windows for games, but truthfully, linux is perhaps your best solution for a stable, reliable platform for almost any need (except games).
Need a web server? Linux. Need a DB server? Linux. Need a file server? Linux.
MS will try to push the maint cost argument, but I work in operations in the IT center for a major corp. Windows machines go down at the rate of 1-2 a day. Unix/Linux, maybe 1-2 a week and it's usually filesystems filling up. Windows machines will simply crash and lock right up. Linux has no more maint cost than windows, with perhaps 1/100th the number of virus attacks.
i know what you mean, but why would i want to spend time learning a whole new program when i have had no problems w/ office or word?
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Cheap linux systems are excellent.. I suggest getting something that will run ubuntu.. its a very nice os with lots of support. If I used software that ran on linux i would be over there in a second.. until then its windows and osx.
I like Word, but I decided not to spend the extra $120 for it with this new computer. I downloaded OpenOffice instead and it's doing all I need it to do.
It has all the crap that MS Office has: word processor, spreadsheet, presentation manager, database, a math formula writer and one other thing...combine that with thunderbird and who the hell needs MS Office anymore.
i know what you mean, but why would i want to spend time learning a whole new program when i have had no problems w/ office or word?
You are supporting enslavement of the masses, dude!
Seriously, you said Linux was awful because you're comfortable with Windows and Office.
I just don't like to hear Linux bashing because I know it to be a very solid OS and MS to be one of the most exploited and vulnerable. True, it's not for the squeamish, but it's certainly not all bashers make it out to be. Some distros are not friendly, but Debian and I guess Ubuntu, make it much easier for the general public to use.
You are supporting enslavement of the masses, dude!
Seriously, you said Linux was awful because you're comfortable with Windows and Office.
I just don't like to hear Linux bashing because I know it to be a very solid OS and MS to be one of the most exploited and vulnerable. True, it's not for the squeamish, but it's certainly not all bashers make it out to be. Some distros are not friendly, but Debian and I guess Ubuntu, make it much easier for the general public to use.
it's damned near impossible not so support "enslavement of the masses", considering windows products are installed on most any computer you buy.
I use firefox b/c it's leaps and bounds above IE, and it's interface is very user friendly. For linux, that's not what i saw in my experience. I'm not going to spend time learning a program when the one i have works well. I've never had any problems w/ word like i did when i used to use IE.
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Good post, but I would also throw in OSX as a soltion for a stable operating system which also sucks for games. LOL. Of course you need to pay for commercial software to run on it but I think that might balance out in the long run if you look at all the "support" tie that linux needs for a non IT specialist.
You may be right, but, support is where the money is in the GPL/Free software arena. Look at the MS model: they charge for the software, then they charge you for support and often at a model that is a slap in the face. The GPL/FSF charges only for support, so you can determine how much you need. Some people may decide to hire an IT pro to support them, others may pay a yearly fee or on a per need basis.
IBM was determining the cost of support as a factor of how much something gets used. For printers, IBM charged you more, the more you printed. So one top of the printer failing more often the more you used it, you paid a higher rate for them to come in and fix it as well.
for mainframes, IBM charge more to more jobs you ran through the system. So on top of it wearing out and failing sooner, they charged a higher rate as well.
Competition is good. It forces business to re-evaluate their methods to remain competitive.
I ran linux for four or five years as my exclusive OS in an end-user dial-up environment. In that time, I had one major problem.
You people who think linux is bad just don't bother to learn it. Not trying to be an azz, even though I know that is how I'm sounding, but linux is solid.
I need windows for games, but truthfully, linux is perhaps your best solution for a stable, reliable platform for almost any need (except games).
Need a web server? Linux. Need a DB server? Linux. Need a file server? Linux.
MS will try to push the maint cost argument, but I work in operations in the IT center for a major corp. Windows machines go down at the rate of 1-2 a day. Unix/Linux, maybe 1-2 a week and it's usually filesystems filling up. Windows machines will simply crash and lock right up. Linux has no more maint cost than windows, with perhaps 1/100th the number of virus attacks.
The problem is that people don't want to be bothered to learn Linux, and their employers don't want to pay them to learn it. Also, can you even buy a computer with Linus already installed and simply turn it on and it's ready to go? The computer geeks may not mind learning a new system and jumping through hoops to get it working, but most people don't want to be bothered....to them their computer is just like their car, and they just want to turn it on and go, and have no interest at all in the inner workings.
As to virus attacks...Windows is attacked because of it's popularity. 90% of the computers out there use Windows. If Linux ever becomes popular viruses will eventually show up.
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The problem is that people don't want to be bothered to learn Linux, and their employers don't want to pay them to learn it. Also, can you even buy a computer with Linus already installed and simply turn it on and it's ready to go? The computer geeks may not mind learning a new system and jumping through hoops to get it working, but most people don't want to be bothered....to them their computer is just like their car, and they just want to turn it on and go, and have no interest at all in the inner workings.
As to virus attacks...Windows is attacked because of it's popularity. 90% of the computers out there use Windows. If Linux ever becomes popular viruses will eventually show up.
I agree with all of this, but Alco is a perfect example of the why windows people bash Linux.
Windows people bash linux because it's complicated. Linux people bash windows because it's unsecure and popular.
There's an interesting interview with Bill Gates and Steve Jobs in today's WSJ if anyone's interested.
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