When you can handle the responce that you will get in a public forum.
The mob reaction will let you know if your advertisement is respected or desired there. Usually there will be a mixed response, some people will eat up any offer or discount they can get, while others greatly want the intregrity of their hangout to be preserved, then there are a lot that could care less either way. Usually the posters handling of the responces shows a lot, at least to me, about their real intentions.
Usually there will be a mixed response, some people will eat up any offer or discount they can get, while others greatly want the intregrity of their hangout to be preserved, then there are a lot that could care less either way.
I still think there should be a seperate section for all the advertisements. That way if you are looking for f*** stuff then you can go there to get it.
I still think there should be a seperate section for all the advertisements. That way if you are looking for f*** stuff then you can go there to get it.
I still think there should be a seperate section for all the advertisements. That way if you are looking for f*** stuff then you can go there to get it.
This is a good question and I would like to run through it because it may clarify things for people who feel unhappy about the recent "commercial" posts.
Firstly, these posters have JP's approval, and even his invitation. Perhaps we should consider this in our comments on these threads. JP is selective in whom he allows to post and they are promoting "quatlity" items related to fitness.
Secondly, they are relatively speaking limited in number and it is the commentary on these threads that is keeping them at the top of the post page. If people are so annoyed by them, I would go as far as to suggest that they not post on the thread and that undesirable post will quickly fall off the front page.
Thirdly, people are always saying what a great guy JP is for hosting this forum at his own expense. There have been many "what can I do to help" posts during my time here at JPs (about 2 years). Well, something we could all to help this site is to be more patient with posts that we see as "commercial" in nature. For anyone is interested in the products being promoted, using the link in the post to jump to the site helps to support this site. Additionally, if you use the GOOGLE window within this site to search for "shopping" items, it also helps to support this site.
JP has done very well to minimize the impact of commercialism on this site (you may remember him asking for feedback on the google windows, and banner ads: no longer around). So well in fact, that he does not, IMO emphasize enough that the so called "commercial" posts may assist in supporting this site. He also, IMO, does not remind us enough that the google window on this site will help to support the site.
So, I have taken the liberty of doing so. I would also like to add since we are doing our Xmas shopping now, please use the google window on this site for your on-line purchases and help to support this site.
Disclosure: JP has not discussed this post with me, nor has he asked me to post this or anything similar to this. I am writing strctly as an active and concerned member of this site, and the above opinion is my opinion. I am a Mod on this site.
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I think that having products in your signature is fine and if you are supplying good information then i'll go looking at the products. If the advice you give is crap then i'll asume the products are too.
I appreshate what Pete is trying to say, but since another side of the argument at least exist in my head, I will put it out there. I am not trying to be an asshole, just trying to be honest with another possible point of view.
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Firstly, these posters have JP's approval, and even his invitation. Perhaps we should consider this in our comments on these threads. JP is selective in whom he allows to post and they are promoting "quatlity" items related to fitness.
This is not always known. Should we just assume that every post made on the forum(even this one) is made with direct approval from JP? Should we assume that JP okayed the post where that dumbass called Dos some nasty names? Obvious comercials with relatively new or unknown posters should state their intentions and approval from JP, or they often come off no different than the "make yourself grow" pill spam we get. Maybe JP could remind them of this when he gives them approval.
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Secondly, they are relatively speaking limited in number and it is the commentary on these threads that is keeping them at the top of the post page. If people are so annoyed by them, I would go as far as to suggest that they not post on the thread and that undesirable post will quickly fall off the front page.
I have seen as many as 8 ads in the first 20 posts in the training forum at once. I consider that a very high ratio of sales to discussion for this type of forum, but know that it is a matter of opinion. When an add come up, there is sometimes positive feedback, I have seen people talke about what a great product is being advertised, even when that person has no first hand knowledge. We ourselves are creating fake testemonials based on second hand information. I would much rather see honest positive and negative feedback than honest positive reviews and assumed statements about how awesome a product is expected to be. Discovering false positive feedback can be very dissapointing.
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Thirdly, people are always saying what a great guy JP is for hosting this forum at his own expense. There have been many "what can I do to help" posts during my time here at JPs (about 2 years). Well, something we could all to help this site is to be more patient with posts that we see as "commercial" in nature. For anyone is interested in the products being promoted, using the link in the post to jump to the site helps to support this site. Additionally, if you use the GOOGLE window within this site to search for "shopping" items, it also helps to support this site.
I can't speak for anyone but myself and a few others that I have talked to, but one of the things that people like it the comunity and honesty of this forum. Restricting out posting takes away from that, and reduces the desire to help. The reason that we wanted to help was to keep this site from becoming a red light district.
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JP has done very well to minimize the impact of commercialism on this site (you may remember him asking for feedback on the google windows, and banner ads: no longer around). So well in fact, that he does not, IMO emphasize enough that the so called "commercial" posts may assist in supporting this site. He also, IMO, does not remind us enough that the google window on this site will help to support the site.
So, I have taken the liberty of doing so. I would also like to add since we are doing our Xmas shopping now, please use the google window on this site for your on-line purchases and help to support this site.
I do what I can to help this site because it is my favorite place online. But I think that will change if we are not allowed to be honest in our postings.
Disclosure: No one has discussed this post with me, nor asked me to post this or anything similar to this. I am writing strctly as a concerned and somewhat active and previously very active member of this site, and the above opinion is my opinion. I am not Mod on this site.
To the MODs, if my honesty is out of line, go ahead and remove it from the site.
"Complaining" about being severly misled by MODs on this forum about a product that pushed a dissapointing $150(I may have gotten the "limited time" sale price of $99) sale is not being a pussy! It hopefully helps others to be cautious about their purchases and the misinformation that exists amongst the circle of trainers that would say anything to support one another.
Edited to try not to get immedatly kicked off the forum(I do like it here), and to disclose that I think I got the sale price that ends at the "end of this month."
I think that the fact that there is a challenge or two when offers are posted does not detract from the forum. It shows that the members take responsibility and ownership and are watching out for something they respect and enjoy.
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It's a good thing I wasn't trying to be a valuable contributor then, huh?
Buk, I was not (and am still not) aware of the situation your referencing. Perhaps if I was, my point of view my shift a little. And lax, considering all the worthless shit talking you've been doing recently, I find it laughable that you would comment on the inherent and obvious lack of value in one of my posts.
Btw, it was a JOKE, guys... R.E.L.A.X. you're all taking yourselves WAY too seriously!
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I gave a few more details in my follow up post, but it was suggested that I edit it to keep from upsetting the circle of experts which might get me kicked off of the forum. Because of the "you scratch my back" relationship of the experts, I can't fully explain exactly what happened to keep you from thinking me a pussy, but I am going to continue to be skeptical and help others to be until it ends my privledge of participating here.
I am not trying to complain, or be a jackass. The topic was brought up and I participated. I had something that I thought was somewhat constructive and relevant to the discussion and what Pete said. I would bet my login here that the ad posted in outdoor fun made yesterday didn't have JP's approval. There is more than one side to everything, and I was providing another side. I don't care if you found it useful, someone did.
I appreshate what Pete is trying to say, but since another side of the argument at least exist in my head, I will put it out there. I am not trying to be an asshole, just trying to be honest with another possible point of view.
Hi Buk
Firstly thanks for your comments. I do not think you are are trying to be an asshole, and you bring up some valid points.
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This is not always known. Should we just assume that every post made on the forum(even this one) is made with direct approval from JP?
No, but commercial ones that are not deleted (previously moved to the now defunct SPAM forum) have JPs permission to post.
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Should we assume that JP okayed the post where that dumbass called Dos some nasty names?
see above
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Obvious comercials with relatively new or unknown posters should state their intentions and approval from JP,
I think that this is a good idea.
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I have seen as many as 8 ads in the first 20 posts in the training forum at once. I consider that a very high ratio of sales to discussion for this type of forum, but know that it is a matter of opinion.
I agree with you and the volume has been up as of late, but I think that this is a rarity rather than a regular thing.
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When an add come up, there is sometimes positive feedback, I have seen people talke about what a great product is being advertised, even when that person has no first hand knowledge. We ourselves are creating fake testemonials based on second hand information. I would much rather see honest positive and negative feedback than honest positive reviews and assumed statements about how awesome a product is expected to be. Discovering false positive feedback can be very dissapointing.
Again I agree with you.
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I can't speak for anyone but myself and a few others that I have talked to, but one of the things that people like it the comunity and honesty of this forum.
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Restricting out posting takes away from that, and reduces the desire to help. The reason that we wanted to help was to keep this site from becoming a red light district. I do what I can to help this site because it is my favorite place online. But I think that will change if we are not allowed to be honest in our postings.
Again I agree with you. I was not suggesting that people should not be honest, and if my post came acoss that way I apologize. I do however think that we have differnt idea of what a red light district consists of. I recognise and respect your opinion.
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Disclosure: No one has discussed this post with me, nor asked me to post this or anything similar to this. I am writing strctly as a concerned and somewhat active and previously very active member of this site, and the above opinion is my opinion. I am not Mod on this site.
I am not sure if you are being sarcastic, poking fun at me or whatever...
I was asked to become a mod because of my suggestions to JP about revamping the FAQs, and have been working on that for about two weeks. I thought, however, that it would be better for me to say I am a MOD, but speaking for myself, rather than as any kind of represenative of JP or the forum. JP can speak for himself and I wanted no misuderstanding on that point.
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To the MODs, if my honesty is out of line, go ahead and remove it from the site.
Again, I am not sure if this is intended as sarcasm or not, but removing posts from the site is not the kind of thing that I am interested in doing. Apparently my mentioning that I was a mod came of in a different way than I intended.
Thanks for your comments.
Peter
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Just because shark explained his joke, doesn't make it a retraction. In many jokes, there is some truth.
He may think your concerns are valid but that you're overreacting to your concerns in some way. Therefore, you'd be being pussies.
I think a lot of folks are disappointed by the amount of "ads" that are going out. Some by long time posters, but most of the concern is obviously because of relatively new people who come here and hock there wares before establishing a base of trust and value.
Here are the "ads" that I like. There may be others that I haven't though of...
A member buys something, likes it, and writes a review of it.
A member suggests a product to another member based on a question or situation.
One of the Pros here has a deal of his own and points it out to us.
One of the Pros here knows of a deal somewhere else and points it out to us.
A Pro comes here, posts and answers questions, we value his/her opinion, and follow the trail of breadcrumbs back to a products page, where we purchase something we find valuable based on our experience with the Pro.
We've all had eye rolling experiences with newbies who come and post their deals without establishing trust. That trust takes a long time to establish. Varying degrees, based on different members, too.
I don't have a big problem with certain "known characters" posting things right away, IN A SPECIAL SUB-FORUM, but I think they do themselves a disservice in doing that. It may very well be part of a good marketing plan (for some forums), but not here. One needs to know their audience...
There are a lot of classy Fitness Professionals around here, some hardly ever post, some post a lot, some lurk and PM people with info that's relevant. Varying degrees of posting prowess, just like with the rest of us.
When does it become acceptable for one to advertise products/services on JP Fitness?
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