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Old 12-07-2006, 01:58 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Or did the SPAM forum disappear? Maybe JP doesn't like SPAM...
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Old 12-07-2006, 02:02 PM   #2 (permalink)
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It did disappear. Perhaps some of the subject lines were becoming a bit too "Redd Foxx-esque" for this family-oriented forum. I know I blushed at one or two.
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Probably a good idea.
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You're right! It's gone. I never looked at it anyway and probably wouldn't have noticed it for a few days! HA!
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Hey, speaking of Redd Foxx, here's one of my favorite lines:

"When I was in the High School band we made over $1,000 selling Candy door-to-door...























Boy, that Candy..she was some trouper."


Ba-dump-dump
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Old 12-07-2006, 03:45 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Birds to a feather... JP has been bombarded by spammers lately probably because of keeping the spam around.
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I've been getting killed by spam at work, too. Here's an article from NYT that explains why.

Spam is back, and worse than ever

Brad Stone / New York Times



Hearing from a lot of new friends lately? You know, the ones that write "It's me, Esmeralda," and tip you off to an obscure stock that is "poised to explode" or a great deal on prescription drugs.

You're not the only one. Spam is back -- in e-mail in-boxes and on everyone's minds. In the past six months, the problem has gotten measurably worse. Worldwide spam volumes have doubled from last year, according to Ironport, a spam filtering firm, and unsolicited junk mail now accounts for more than 9 out of every 10 e-mail messages sent over the Internet.

Much of that flood is made up of a nettlesome new breed of junk e-mail called image spam, in which the words of the advertisement are part of a picture, often fooling traditional spam detectors that look for telltale phrases. Image spam increased fourfold from last year and now represents 25 percent to 45 percent of all junk e-mail, depending on the day, according to Ironport.
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The correct usage should be "Is it I?"

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The correct usage should be "Is it I?"
Sorry John, it's correct as is.

The 'it' is the subject of the sentence and 'me' is the object. I know where you're thrown off:

http://www.drgrammar.org/faqs/#73

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It is I or it is me? According to the Merriam Webster's Dictionary of the English Language,"...instead of the old choice between right and wrong we are now choosing a style; it is a choice that is much closer to the reality of usage than the old one was...Clearly, both the it is I and it's me patterns are in reputable use and have been for a considerable time. It is I tends to be used in more formal or more stuffy situations; it's me predominates in real and fictional speech and in a more relaxed writing style. Him, her, us, and them may be less common after the verb to be than me is, but they are far from rare and are equally good" (566, 568).
However, the sentence used in the explaination is a declarative, where as in Fish's, it's a question and questions have tendancies to swap subject and object nouns.

Here's a good site for explaining when to use I or me:

http://www.askoxford.com/asktheexper...grammar/meandi

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Sorry John, it's correct as is.

The 'it' is the subject of the sentence and 'me' is the object. I know where you're thrown off:

http://www.drgrammar.org/faqs/#73



However, the sentence used in the explaination is a declarative, where as in Fish's, it's a question and questions have tendancies to swap subject and object nouns.

Here's a good site for explaining when to use I or me:

http://www.askoxford.com/asktheexper...grammar/meandi
Is it me or is that English major paying off?
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Don't fall for that "It's me" line. It's you.
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That one's an echo to me. It never stops.
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Sorry John, it's correct as is.

The 'it' is the subject of the sentence and 'me' is the object. I know where you're thrown off:

http://www.drgrammar.org/faqs/#73



However, the sentence used in the explaination is a declarative, where as in Fish's, it's a question and questions have tendancies to swap subject and object nouns.

Here's a good site for explaining when to use I or me:

http://www.askoxford.com/asktheexper...grammar/meandi

Well, I beg to disagree. The "new" rules of English grammar may see it differently, since we tend to change the rules because people refuse to speak correctly.

"It" is in the nominative case. What follows is a linking verb. You then have the subjective complement, which, of course, in this case is the word "I." Being the subjective complement it must be in the nominative case as well.

"Me" is in the objective case which cannot follow a linking verb which makes it, effectively, the subjective complement.

Of course, speaking the sentence correctly is now labeled by your Dr. Grammar as being formal or stuffy. As we do so often today, especially in our schools, let us simply cater to the lowest common denominator among us and not learn to speak correctly, for surely that is not the popular thing to do. I actually know when to use "I" or "me." Most of the rest of the world does not and the grammarians are giving in.

Please don't get me wrong. I use the incorrect form, myself, in casual conversation. Most people do, but it does not make it correct in the true grammatical sense.
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John, if you're really bothered by how we change the language to accomodate people who won't speak it correctly, perhaps you should start speaking in olde english?

hark, i say to ye, pray tell, from wence i came i shall soon enough return, for with quick feet the lord shall cometh to take my soul away, good sir!
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John, if you're really bothered by how we change the language to accomodate people who won't speak it correctly, perhaps you should start speaking in olde english?

hark, i say to ye, pray tell, from wence i came i shall soon enough return, for with quick feet the lord shall cometh to take my soul away, good sir!
And the problem with that would be?

I am just pulling fish's leg on this one, but somehow I end up defending the language. LOL
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And the problem with that would be?

I am just pulling fish's leg on this one, but somehow I end up defending the language. LOL
There you go again, John. Fish have fins, not legs.... oh wait a minute maybe in your day fish were just starting to come out of the water and walk on to the land....

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maybe in your day fish were just starting to come out of the water and walk on to the land....

Ouch.

For the record, I agree with John on the language.
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hark, i say to ye, pray tell, from wence i came i shall soon enough return, for with quick feet the lord shall cometh to take my soul away, good sir!
That's actually modern English.

This is an example of Old English (from Beowulf):

Hwæt! We Gardena in geardagum,
þeodcyninga, þrym gefrunon,
hu ða æþelingas ellen fremedon.
Oft Scyld Scefing sceaþena þreatum,
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egsode eorlas. Syððan ærest wearð
feasceaft funden, he þæs frofre gebad,
weox under wolcnum, weorðmyndum þah,
oðþæt him æghwylc þara ymbsittendra
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ofer hronrade hyran scolde,
gomban gyldan. þæt wæs god cyning!
ðæm eafera wæs æfter cenned,
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holy crap that makes no sense... did anyone see Beowulf the movie? I'm actually thinking about picking it up.
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Get the book, a modern interpretation by Seamus Heaney, which is beautifully written.
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That's actually modern English.

This is an example of Old English (from Beowulf):


Hwæt! We Gardena in geardagum,
þeodcyninga, þrym gefrunon,
hu ða æþelingas ellen fremedon.
Oft Scyld Scefing sceaþena þreatum,

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monegum mægþum, meodosetla ofteah,
egsode eorlas. Syððan ærest wearð
feasceaft funden, he þæs frofre gebad,
weox under wolcnum, weorðmyndum þah,
oðþæt him æghwylc þara ymbsittendra

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ofer hronrade hyran scolde,
gomban gyldan. þæt wæs god cyning!
ðæm eafera wæs æfter cenned,
geong in geardum, þone god sende
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Cynic,
Very cool.
You haven't read Beowulf until you wade through the Old English. I had forgotten how difficult it was.
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