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Old 01-13-2004, 11:21 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Yesterday O had Randy of American Idol Judge fame on without some 100+lbs of his former self... THe thing that burnt my azz about this was the the way in which he lost the weight...gastrol bypass...What the hell is wrong with people...The other butt frosting part is the nonchalant manner it was all explained as if this is the "cure for obesity in North America (cuz we canuks suffer from it too.)

I found the show subverted any real discussion on personal choice...the bypass is not a cure it only masks the real problem..that people don't have a clue how to take care of their bodies.

I just needed to rant...I think O should be set straight on the "damage" this show can cause.
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Old 01-13-2004, 12:28 PM   #2 (permalink)
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You aren't kidding that sucks. As BryanC said in another thread, the problem is overconsumption. The cure is PREVENTION! Don't get that way in the first place!

What is truly amazing is that these people don't even really deserve the recognition for the significant loss. The surgery does. I don't have a problem with people doing that surgery if they are going to try to turn their lives around, but to glorify them for simply recovering from the surgery seems silly.
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Old 01-13-2004, 12:40 PM   #3 (permalink)
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The surgury does do one good thing. It does teach these people how to eat right and take care of themselves. Though it's way to extreme for me to have my stomach cut in half just to learn to eat clean and get off my a$$. It just medically forces you to do what I'm working to do all on my own.

Hell I think forced military boot camp might be a better idea. When they aren't doing PT they learn nutrition.

It's not like there isn't any closed military bases that couldn't be reopened for such a purpose.
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A buddy of mine had a gastric by-pass done several years ago when the procedure was still pretty new. I have to agree with wauhawk in part because at first you learn to eat differently, mostly through constricted caloric intake. And, I have to agree with the rest of you because while my friend did lose the weight he wanted to, he was back up to the original weight prior to the surgery a couple of years later due to "overconsumption".

Just like anything else, if you don't change your HABITS, you can't change your SHAPE or HEALTH. I wonder if there's a study out there anywhere that looks at gastric by-pass patients 5 and 10 years later to see if they were able to keep the weight off that they initially lost or if they ultimately went right back to their unhealthy eating habits once they "stretched" out their "new" stomach??? On the other hand, maybe the medical profession is afraid to conduct such a study because they might lose their patient base?? Just a random thought....

The best and ONLY way to fight obesity is by education...and perhaps wiring a few jaws shut.
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You aren't kidding that sucks. As BryanC said in another thread, the problem is overconsumption. The cure is PREVENTION! Don't get that way in the first place!
What is truly amazing is that these people don't even really deserve the recognition for the significant loss. The surgery does.
Okay, let me weigh in on this one, as a kind of devil's advocate. Yes, personal responsibility is in large measure the key to beneficial changes in our bodies and lifestyles (as well as deleterious changes). It's true that we are what we eat, and that we're also what we ate. If we weigh in at over 300 pounds, we are a whole lot of crap that we put away with enthusiasm over a long period of time.

I used to weigh over 200, at 5'8"-5.'9". I used to be a heavy smoker, around 4 packs a day. I put every pound on all by myself; I wasn't force fed like those French geese that produce fois gras. I lit every one of those cigarettes, except maybe those that a nice woman lit for me in cozy moments. I was responsible for my lifestyle, and I was in part responsible for improving it. I stopped smoking. I got my weight down to 160. I started real exercise, at long last, at 65. In September I weighed 165, which was okay because that extra 5 pounds is lean beef.

I just weighed myself this morning, with a certain dread. The scale told me the news --174 buck naked . I know where those 9 pounds came from, and I'm gonna get them off by 1 March, this time with the South Beach diet, albeit modified to include gin during the first two weeks.

But I still believe that the enormous increase in the incidence of obesity in North America is not entirely due to an increase in our individual and collective lack of will power and sense of responsibility for ourselves. There are social and cultural causes, as well.

Personal choices always are made against a background. I started smoking at age 14, back in 1949. Smoking was "grown up." My parents both smoked. My uncles. My aunts. The air was full of blue smoke--and full of slogans. "LSMFT"=Lucky Strikes Mean Fine Tobacco. There isn't a cough in a carload. I'd walk a mile for a Camel. Blow a little smoke my way. At my university little packs of four cigarettes were handed out free, and they were abundant, but most of us still bought ciggies, at 18 cents a pack.

Today's NY Times had an article about the Amish in Pennsylvania. Some Amish are overweight, but true obesity is virtually unknown. The reasons are obvious. These citizens aren't sitting around watching TV and stuffing themselves with pizza and the horrors in the form of highly processed food from the middle aisles of the typical Safeway or Acme. They're not driving cars to go where they could walk in under 10 minutes.

There's more than enough blame to go around. We can blame school boards that try to keep reasonable expenses down by selling "pouring rights" for soft drink machines in halls and cafeterias. We can also blame those same school boards for failure to insist on effective programs of physical activities, preferably in life sports, as part of the curriculum. We can knock food companies that tout their wares as low-fat, hoping that no one will read the labels--the labels that you can bet your last nickle they wouldn't put on their stuff if it weren't required by law)--and find out that the things they sell are loaded with high fructose corn syrup, calories, and non-nutritive ingredients. We can also point a finger at national politicians who provide outrageous subsidies to agribusiness and to large-scale industrial farmers in the Midwest.

When I go to the grocery store, what really makes me want to scream is the long, long aisle devoted to cereals. A handful of brands are fine. Oatmeal, but not the instant stuff. Kashi. My own favorite lately is Müeslix, despite the superfluous umlaut on the "u." It's pretty good stuff, particularly with added ingredients--half a handful of frozen blueberries, a tablespoon of bran, and another tbsp of wheat germ. But almost everything else is a horror. We would do well to go back to the cereals that were available back in, say, 1960, when there were probably no more than 20. Ditch the ones with chocolate. The ones with leprechauns or elves on the package. The ones with ...well, you name it, all the seductive features that are supposed to make the 3-year old tagging along next to the grocery cart have a t antrum to acquire.

And as regards gastric bypass, maybe a little compassion is in order. The two brothers who used to live next door when they were growing up were very different, despite the same home environment. One was slender and athletic, the other on the pudgy side. They're in their 40s now. The slender one has thickened up a bit, but he isn't really obese. They other one yoyoed back and forth between 275 and 375 for a couple of decades. He had the surgery last spring--and it was a personal decision, a last resort on the part of someone who realized his life was in jeopardy. I saw him the other day, and he looks great.

Why did he let himself become so obese? Maybe his parents told both their kids to clean their plates, and he was the one who listened and obeyed.

Yeah, as JP wrote so eloquently many moons ago on the MH board, I am SAD and DISGUSTED at what I see waddling up the aisles at the grocery store...and at the unhealthy crap piled high in their shopping carts. I agree about our overconsumption. But overconsumption has a complex set of intersecting causes. In my own household, one cause is a tacit, unexamined belief that once the autumn harvest is stored away in the barn, it's time for us to reward ourselves with cookies, and pies, and great snowy piles of steaming mashed potatoes swimming in butter and sour cream, and bottles of port and madeira....
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Old 01-13-2004, 04:17 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Nice, very nice!
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Old 01-13-2004, 11:19 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Smoking was "grown up." My parents both smoked. My uncles. My aunts. The air was full of blue smoke--and full of slogans. "LSMFT"=Lucky Strikes Mean Fine Tobacco. There isn't a cough in a carload. I'd walk a mile for a Camel. Blow a little smoke my way. At my university little packs of four cigarettes were handed out free, and they were abundant, but most of us still bought ciggies, at 18 cents a pack.
Sorry... I couldn't pass that up. Part confessional, part nostalgia. LSMFT is still stuck in my mind as is "Call for Phillip Morris" and "Winston Tastes Good Like a Cigarette Should" and other commericials before they were banned from TV. I smoked for 10 years (gained a bunch of weight when I quit) and mine were $.50/pack when I quit. [img]smile.gif[/img]
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