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Old 07-16-2004, 02:01 AM   #1 (permalink)
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JP (or whomever else plays the guitarra round here),

About a month ago I've started working on Astor Piazzolla's Tango Suite for two guitars (dueting with my father-in-law who is a classical guitar nut).

Have you played this piece? If so might you have some advice on how best to approach certain sections?

We are starting with the 2nd movement (Andante), then going back to the 1st, until finally tackling the final movement- which sounds just incredibly difficult.

I can now play through the Andante section fairly smoothly, albeit slowly...but if you have any pointers

Could you recommend any good recordings of it (besides the Assads and Al Dimeola)?

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Old 07-21-2004, 05:21 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Perhaps you missed this post JP?

I'm sure you as the more accomplished player may have some advice to help a poor sap slogging his way through this masterpiece.

still afraid to glance at the 3rd movement
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Old 07-25-2004, 03:39 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Great piece. Piazzolla is probably my favorite composer for the guitar, although I play none of his pieces. You are better than you claim if you can get through one of his compositions.

This sounds crazy, but I don't actually read music. I play mostly by ear, and by watching others play. My favorite Piazzola piece is "Nightclub", as performed by the Assad brothers, although it also sounds brilliant with a guitar/violin duo (performed and transcribed by Beau Bledsoe with Sandamirski). Beau Bledsoe is one of my best friends. We studied guitar together in college, but I branched off and he went on to become one of the best guitarists I have ever heard, and I don't say that lightly. Here is another song of his tango group's new CD, Mujer Sola. He plays classical, flamenco, and even went through a Blues phase. You will enjoy his music, I imagine. If you are struggling with that piece I can connect you with Beau, if you like.
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Old 07-25-2004, 05:30 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Thanks for the offer and the link JP. Beau really is quite a good player. Thats a wonderful rendition. I imagine when I begin the 3rd movement some help may be needed

Piazzolla's compositions are remarkable in many ways, but the fluid phrasing required on even the most technical sections take alot of time to work up!

You don't read music? I must admit that theres no way I'd be able to pick up on most any classical piece with the score. Your ears surely are not painted on

Here is a link to videos of the Assads (and Astor himself) playing a few compositions: Piazzolla videos
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I just played a gig this morning... Had to play the "special music" for a local church service for a very appreciative group. I actually played pretty well considering I haven't even touched my guitar in 6 months!
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Old 07-26-2004, 12:29 AM   #6 (permalink)
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You have that stash of fine instruments in your living room and haven't been playing them?!#!

As penance you must now donate one of them to a certain needy JP Forum member

Good going on the gig.
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You have that stash of fine instruments in your living room and haven't been playing them?!#!

As penance you must now donate one of them to a certain needy JP Forum member

Good going on the gig.
I could use a new guitar or two.
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Old 07-26-2004, 11:10 AM   #8 (permalink)
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This sounds crazy, but I don't actually read music. I play mostly by ear, and by watching others play.
I'm your opposite, Jean-Paul. I can read an orchestral score, and if there are choral parts hear them in my mind, but I can't play worth a damn anything more complicated than come to Jesus in whole notes.

Other good musicians who can't read music? Barbara Cook is one. Others? (Besides a lot of jazz players...)

Also, is anyone here as great a fan as I am of Keith Jarrett? He's the most versatile pianist I know. I first heard him when Terri Gross interviewed him on Fresh Air and played part of The Melody at Night with You, a new CD of pop standards like Someone to Watch Over Me (recorded after he recovered from a nasty bout with chronic fatigue syndrome). He has several albums of jazz improvisations and a couple of recordings with his trio of jazz renditions of pop stuff.--and he's great with Handel and Bach, both piano and harpsichord, although you have to order his classical CDs from Munich. His Goldberg Variations stands up well alongside Glenn Gould's several recordings. And I thnk he also plays alto sax.

(He does read music, though--went to Curtis in Philly.)
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Keith Emerson and Greg Lake were looking for a guitarist before they formed Emerson, Lake and Palmer. They were interested in Jimi Hendrix until Emerson realized that Jimi couldn't read music. I guess it wouldn't have worked out anyway since Hendrix died shortly after the Isle of Wright concert that they both played at.

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The label Jarrett records for is the German label ECM. Heres a link to their page of Jarrett Trio albums: Jarrett at ECM

His latest with the trio, Up For It, is a wonderful record. In my opinion there is no better piano trio playing today.

ECM has also put out 2 2CD collections, "Works" of his music that are sure to be good listening.

The Koln Concerts is maybe his best known work and Gardener, I would think this one would go along with your tastes.
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Kuri,
Have you ordered that CD yet? I am dying to hear your impression of it when you hear it in its entirety.
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Old 07-29-2004, 03:27 PM   #12 (permalink)
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What CD are you referring to, Beau's? I haven't ordered it. need to save my pennies with this lovely "strong" Bush economy.
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I love Keith Jarrett! I have the Goldberg Variations and a double CD of a concert recorded in Japan. Can't remmeber the title because I am in my office, but I often listen to it on my commute.
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Not to steal the thread, but i have a quick question for all you guitar connoisseurs here: I love fast guitar (for example, a lot of the songs off the Van Helsing soundtrack by Alan Silvestri, Midnight by Satriani, and the techno song Pistolero [which has the most amazing guitar I have ever heard] are all favorites of mine) and I was wondering if you could recommend songs or musicians or composers with fast guitar?
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Look into some stuff on the Magna Carta Label. Groups like Liquid Tension Experiment and Black Light Syndrome move along sweetly.
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