Is there any harm in decreasing carbs 10-25% but keeping cals same for stim fat loss?
Also, is there any harm in having a "non-diet dessert" if it is what consumes most of the sugar and the total sugar for the day is around 50 g or less? Not everyday but i need sugar+flour like a brownie every now and then. I just noticed in the first couple days that most of my sugar and more than 1/4 of my carbs came from a large piece of coffee cake. I know the carbs are bad but the sugar was less than 30 g. Is that so bad?
And more importantly if I still consume 1650-1950 cals a day, is it ok to go down to 90-120 carbs instead of the 134-224 (were it not for my big dessert i would have towards the low end of that number).
Generally speaking I don't think it really matters where the carbs come from. THat being said, everbody is a little different, Your body Your science experiment, yada, yada.
Best bet is probably to try this out for a bit and see if you are still losing or reaching your goals. If you are then great. If not, you may have to try a smaller non-diet dessert or whatever, or eliminating it altogether.
You could also look into cycling your carbs, which would then have high carb days built into your diet.
The only other thing i would add is try to have your high carb days on your workout days, so the carbs are worked off. There is a scientific basis for this, I'm pretty sure, links escape me at the moment, but I'm sure someone else will post the answer soon ;-)
Are you asking "is it OK" in the context of strict adherence to the eating plan as laid out in NROL4W or in the context of general diet and fatloss lore?
Are you asking "is it OK" in the context of strict adherence to the eating plan as laid out in NROL4W or in the context of general diet and fatloss lore?
I'm supposed to get the above referenced range of calories per NROLFW for fat loss so within this context I was wondering about tweaking carbs (going lower than the recommended) while maintaining calorie levels (increasing protein/fats)
Also while on the recommended carb level or whle dropping carbs, how much of carbs is ok to get from sugar (like brownies cookies chocolate ice cream etc) or even a tasty protein bar (as opposed to the whole grain/legumes the "good carbs"). If I'm getting 120 carbs a day and 40-50 (couple times a week) are from sugar stuff, is it going to mess with my weight loss? What if I'm dropping down to 95 or something and 1/3 is from sugar?
Hope that clarifies it. I'm just trying to have a little cake and eat it too :p
Everyone is a little different and you'll probably just need to try it out and see what works for you. I could imagine that getting a bug chunk of your carbs (even on just a few days here and there) from something sugary is going to make you not feel as good - in terms of energy levels, etc. But then again you may be fine. You may also find other ways to satisfy your sweet tooth. Personally, I've come to love cottage cheese, blended completely smooth, with additions like cocoa powder, pumpkin or peanut butter, and some zero calorie all natural sweetener. Like a creamy cheesecake pudding! I also like to experiment a lot baking with things like almond meal instead of flour, erythritol and stevia for sweeteners, etc, so I can still enjoy my sweets.
My first thought is that sugary carbs often come with significant fat and in that context might not be something that you want to eat that often. Fruit loops with nf milk is sugary but not the same as a muffin or donut for breakfast.
Why not take this time to explore eating whole foods without any bakery treats and see how you do. That's probably an internal psych thing for you to work out though 0 getting the root of why you would say
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Not everyday but i need sugar+flour like a brownie every now and then.
Even when half-joking about *needing* brownies or a donut - if you want do the work to explore it for yourself it might be enlightening.
On another note, donuts & plain tuna might meet your macro targets but probably not your best choice.
As to the "ok," I haven't read the diet part in a while, but it's not going to mess with your weight loss if you keep under your calories. However, for fat loss, the calories is what you have to reduce, not carbs, or sugar.
Keeping calories the same and decreasing sugar will do practically nothing (I'm being generous; it's probably exactly nothing).
It's okay to have a treat every once in a while, but fit them into your overall calories and macros. When I'm on a diet I still have the occasional treat, but I trade my treat calories for other things that are similar in nutritional quality, like bread (I don't think bread is particularly good for us, just not always bad for us). So, I have no bread, but a slice of apple pie, for instance. Personally, with the exception of the calories, I think I'm ahead of the curve.
Everyone is a little different and you'll probably just need to try it out and see what works for you. I could imagine that getting a bug chunk of your carbs (even on just a few days here and there) from something sugary is going to make you not feel as good - in terms of energy levels, etc. But then again you may be fine. You may also find other ways to satisfy your sweet tooth. Personally, I've come to love cottage cheese, blended completely smooth, with additions like cocoa powder, pumpkin or peanut butter, and some zero calorie all natural sweetener. Like a creamy cheesecake pudding! I also like to experiment a lot baking with things like almond meal instead of flour, erythritol and stevia for sweeteners, etc, so I can still enjoy my sweets.
For some reason the idea of cottage cheese grosses me out (but then again so did Salmon and now i love it...well as much as I could love something good for you).
You ever try cottage cheese in a smoothie? Or by making cheesecake (maybe with graham crackers instead of the ready made crust).
Thanks everyone. I appreciate it and hope in a few weeks I'll better be able to help someone else along :-)
Its sugar free jello made without the cold water part, and once it's set you add a cup of cottage cheese and whip in a blender and then put back in the fridge to set. So yummy, and tastes like no bake cheesecake, or ice cream, or just sinful!
Its sugar free jello made without the cold water part, and once it's set you add a cup of cottage cheese and whip in a blender and then put back in the fridge to set. So yummy, and tastes like no bake cheesecake, or ice cream, or just sinful!
Yum; going to have to try that! I love cottage cheese just with sliced up mango. That's yummy too, and the mango is really sweet.
For some reason the idea of cottage cheese grosses me out (but then again so did Salmon and now i love it...well as much as I could love something good for you).
You ever try cottage cheese in a smoothie? Or by making cheesecake (maybe with graham crackers instead of the ready made crust).
Thanks everyone. I appreciate it and hope in a few weeks I'll better be able to help someone else along :-)
Well, you don't have to try it, I was just giving an exampel of somethign that works for me and suggesting that you can probably find some sweet treats that work for you too I do actually put cottage cheese in my protein shakes sometimes, 2-3oz, and it makes it incredibly thick and creamy like a milkshake! And I've made some mini cheesecakes, not with cottage cheese though, that came out excellent. I used crushed fiber one in the crust - better option than grahame crackers. (excuse the picture, I was trying to get these out on the table to serve and didn't have time to set up my lighting!) http://carascravings.blogspot.com/20...ened-mini.html
what really helped me beat a lot of my sugar cravings was entering a day of bad carb eating (even though it was the right range of calories) in FitDay and seeing how few nutrients were there compared to a normal day. There was no food in my food!
and I'm so glad I'm not the only one that finds cottage cheese weird. I call it Cthulhu Cheese because it's against the laws of nature.
Mimi Pope: thank you for the suggestion, maybe I can build on that with a low carb crust (i need my "flour" substitute lol) and top with berries or something so I get fruit too.
Carabeth: no no, i didn't mean to come off as rude and sorry if i did because i appreciate your help (and everyones)...it was meant hopefully as in i have overcome my dislike for one healthy food b4 (salmon or well fish in general) so i can do it again i'm sure :-) love your blog and bookmarked it and when i finally get some content in mine i have to figure out to link lol. those cheesecakes sound yummy and i've always wanted to learn how to make low carb tasty desserts.
hazeldazel: is FitDay on this site? I'm using sparkpeople and let me just say that over 2 days I finished off an Entenmanns coffee cake my mom brought over and when i added it in my nutrition plan I was shocked to find it consituted about 700 calories and 88 grams of carbs over a 1/2 of my max intake for a no-workout day! Otherwise I would have been good. Granted I do NOT eat like that on a normal basis but that was an eye opener for me and i really hope I didn't totally screw myself up. TTOM is when I'm real vulnerable to that. I ate healthy imho not including that. Still woking on calories for last couple days so hopefully I did better.
I'm going to go buy some cottage cheese today and try that in my smoothie. I wonder if I can make a good dip with it too, maybe someone has a blog full of cc recipes lol. I certainly need to close my protein gap somehow :-)
FitDay isn't on this site, it's similar to sparkpeople, calorieking, etc. I use Fitday and in addition to showing all the calories and macros, there's a button you click to show you the day's nutrient levels.
For the last several weeks I've been ditching the processed foods and trying to get all of my carbs from fruit and veggies. It's amazing how the junk-food cravings have simply disappeared and I have sooooo much more energy. It's crazy (for me) but there's a nearly full pint of Ben & Jerry's Brownie Batter ice cream in the freezer, and it's sat untouched for 2 weeks now. It's totally not interesting to me anymore. A little goat cheese and a pear, now that's a great dessert!
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Is there any harm in decreasing carbs 10-25% but keeping cals same for stim fat loss?
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