In the NROL4W it states over and over that women need to lift more like men considering we are from the same species and our bodies work the same. But after reading both NROL books there is a clear difference on how the work out routines are put together.
Using the Fat Loss program from NROL and the one routine provided in NROL4W as an example: I am extremely confused as to why there is circuit training in the men's routine, but not in the women's. The closest you get in the women's routine is alternating sets with 30 second breaks. He may compensate for this by having a rep range of 15-20, but when looking at NROL (mens) he has the last half of the workout in a circuit form with 20 rep sets.
I'm not ready to say, "this is junk", because of how well designed most of these programs are, but as a trainer I'm at a loss why Alwyn would not include some form of circuit training in his routines for women. Thoughts?
They are totally different programs, for one thing. A guy or girl could do either book's workout.
Second, in case a woman had done NROL, then bought NROL4W, it's good to have different workouts (and vice versa).
Third, circuits, trisets, and even some supersets can be frustrating in commercial gyms, because people take the stuff before you get back to them. Maybe they got a lot of complaints re NROL and cut that out for NROL4W?
They are totally different programs, for one thing. A guy or girl could do either book's workout.
That's kind of the point though, shouldn't they be more in line with each other and following the same basic layout. Schuller spends half the book talking about how women and men are muscularly identical, then he provides very different routine's for the same goals...
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Third, circuits, trisets, and even some supersets can be frustrating in commercial gyms, because people take the stuff before you get back to them. Maybe they got a lot of complaints re NROL and cut that out for NROL4W?
You may be onto something there, but I don't entirely accept that possibility because 90% of Alwyn's programs are based on free weight/ body weight movements that do not require any sort of machine.
That's kind of the point though, shouldn't they be more in line with each other and following the same basic layout. Schuller spends half the book talking about how women and men are muscularly identical, then he provides very different routine's for the same goals...
No. There's nothing about a layout that says "MAN" or "WOMAN" that's the point. ANY workout out there, any book, anything, can be for a woman. In fact, the title wasn't even gonna be New Rules, but for marketing reasons they changed it to that so that it'd sell more because of recognition. So there's nothing that's meant to relate the 2 together.
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You may be onto something there, but I don't entirely accept that possibility because 90% of Alwyn's programs are based on free weight/ body weight movements that do not require any sort of machine.
And when I superset/giantset/whatnot in the gym, my dumbells get taken unless I am more dicky about it and haul them over to where I am. Hell, if it were a machine workout it'd be much easier to get in circuit-like stuff in.
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I think Alwyn said that the women's program is more difficult than the men's.
He did. Well, or Lou did. I mean, if you want to split hairs…
In fact, the title wasn't even gonna be New Rules, but for marketing reasons they changed it to that so that it'd sell more because of recognition.
Well, then why not call it something like The New New Rules for Lifting? I bet there'd be a lot more women buying the original New Rules, and a lot more men buying the second book, if they hadn't gone with the gender-specific terminology.
I actually avoided NRoL4W until I heard good reviews from several people I respect, because so many lifting books "for women" advocate high reps with low weights, or focus almost entirely on legs, abs, and glutes.
I don't know, I'd heard good things about it. I bought both, but did NROL4W first. Then I went and bought Strength Training (hmmm... Men's Health...), and now I've got around to doing NROL. I think for some women, and I'm one of them, NROL4W would market better to first timers.
I always took that phrase "lift like a man" to mean lift heavy, not little 3lb weights like Tracy Anderson says women should lift.
As for the 2 different programs, well, for women who are just starting to lift (or lift heavy) maybe it's a little reassuring that there is a workout just for them, to ensure they don't end up looking like a man as opposed to a goddess. Once they are comfortable with the program and see good results, then they can move on to the other book.
Some men on the other hand, probably prefer a book meant just for them, cuz then that means the workout will be tough enough for a real man.
Just my thought. I wasn't offended at the two types of programs. I just figured the women's book was geared more towards a feminine physique.
"lift like a man" -hypocritical?
Well, or Lou did. I mean, if you want to split hairs…
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