JP Fitness Forums powered by fitness insite  
Google
 
Web forums.jpfitness.com

Go Back   JP Fitness Forums > The New Rules of Lifting > New Rules of Lifting for Women
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read

New Rules of Lifting for Women Based on Lou's new book with Cosgrove and Forsythe

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 11-07-2008, 02:33 PM   #1 (permalink)
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 63
Default DL - over/under grip

I am not deadlifting a ton of weight yet. It was 95 pounds last time, but my grip almost gave out. The bar ended up being in my fingers instead of my palms... and I am in stage 2 so I am on the box and not setting down the weight to re-set my grip.

I read about the over/under grip for deads, but have a question. Do you keep track of which hand was over and which hand was under and then switch them up next time or does it even matter?
MissRose is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 11-07-2008, 02:37 PM   #2 (permalink)
Scale Watch: 130.2
 
missjane's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Ohio
Posts: 7,013
Default

When I do mixed grip, I alternate between sets I don't always remember, but I try to switch it up.

Deadlift grip (mixed) question, please
__________________
Jane
My Training Log
My eBay Store

~This is an lolcat-free zone~
~This is a no "bro" zone -- sooooo sick of that word!~

"If someone says I can't, then it makes me all the more determined to prove that I can."
-- Michael Phelps
missjane is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 11-07-2008, 03:16 PM   #3 (permalink)
ninjamonkeyqueen
 
Aoife's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: City of Dis
Posts: 6,539
Default

I'd switch because potentially you may end up torqing a bit as you pull because of it, and therefore it'd even it all out.
__________________
My Etsy Fe Chick Apparel
tumble log
Aoife in Wonderland
Werkit.com - Providing the most stylish training logs you've ever seen, while retaining all the function you need. Oh yeah!
Aoife is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 11-08-2008, 09:33 AM   #4 (permalink)
Super Moderator
 
Lisa~'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Alabama
Posts: 5,383
Default

If you're going to use a mixed grip, switch it every set. BUT, I wouldn't ask a beginning deadlifter to go to a mixed grip unless it was really needed. Start by cuing "squeeze the bar," and if that's not enough, add chalk. Sometimes just remembering to squeeze the bar will be enough at lighter loads. Wrap your thumb over your fingers to help lock your grip around the bar, squeeze hard throughout the set, remind yourself during the set to squeeze harder, and add chalk. After all those things, if you need to move to a mixed grip, then fine.
__________________
Lisa Holladay, CSCS
Lisa~ is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 11-08-2008, 10:36 AM   #5 (permalink)
ninjamonkeyqueen
 
Aoife's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: City of Dis
Posts: 6,539
Default

If you're at a gym that frowns on chalk, get chalkless "eco chalk" stuff climbers use. You can get it at places like REI.
__________________
My Etsy Fe Chick Apparel
tumble log
Aoife in Wonderland
Werkit.com - Providing the most stylish training logs you've ever seen, while retaining all the function you need. Oh yeah!
Aoife is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Old 11-08-2008, 04:05 PM   #6 (permalink)
Scale Watch: 130.2
 
missjane's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Ohio
Posts: 7,013
Default

Hey Aoife, can you link me to some 'chalkless' chalk. I keep searching on chalk and can't find it (tried REI, too, and just got real chalk). Since I can't use real chalk at my gym, I'd like to get some of the 'chalkless' and see if I like it.
__________________
Jane
My Training Log
My eBay Store

~This is an lolcat-free zone~
~This is a no "bro" zone -- sooooo sick of that word!~

"If someone says I can't, then it makes me all the more determined to prove that I can."
-- Michael Phelps
missjane is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2008, 07:28 AM   #7 (permalink)
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 63
Default

Thanks for all your responses! I did use a mixed grip yesterday and it worked wonderfully. I am not sure I want to try the mess of chalk as I am using my basement for workouts and it has recently been finished. I may check into the "chalkless" to see if that helps.

Lisa - how come you would not recommend the mixed grip for beginners? I didn't see these replies until after my workout on Sunday... but I will try keeping attention on my grip on my next B workout. Being on the box makes it a bit harder as I am not setting the bar down every time.
MissRose is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2008, 01:09 PM   #8 (permalink)
Super Moderator
 
Lisa~'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Alabama
Posts: 5,383
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by missjane View Post
Hey Aoife, can you link me to some 'chalkless' chalk. I keep searching on chalk and can't find it (tried REI, too, and just got real chalk). Since I can't use real chalk at my gym, I'd like to get some of the 'chalkless' and see if I like it.
You've asked for this a couple of times. I've never used "chalkless" chalk, so I can't say if it's effective or not. I've never bought it or even seen it used. I just wipe up my chalk mess when I'm done.

But I think what she's referring to is liquid chalk like Elite FTS sells: Elite Fitness Systems

Or maybe she means a chalk ball, which you can search for. It'll be in with mountain climbing gear.

Quote:
Originally Posted by MissRose View Post
Lisa - how come you would not recommend the mixed grip for beginners?
A mixed grip is used by powerlifters on very low rep sets or 1RM pulls to keep the bar from rolling out of their hands. Grip gets tough to sustain as you approach your 1RM. Lots and lots of lifters like to emulate this grip style, so you'll see it recommended often. If it makes a lot of difference to you, I don't think it's that big of a deal to use a mixed grip, alternating on each set. My opinion, however, is that for lifters who are using higher reps with sub-maximal loads, keeping the grip even (both hands turned the same way), keeps the shoulders loaded evenly and is probably best for general fitness and health.
__________________
Lisa Holladay, CSCS
Lisa~ is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2008, 01:29 PM   #9 (permalink)
Scale Watch: 130.2
 
missjane's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Ohio
Posts: 7,013
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lisa~ View Post
You've asked for this a couple of times. I've never used "chalkless" chalk, so I can't say if it's effective or not. I've never bought it or even seen it used. I just wipe up my chalk mess when I'm done.

But I think what she's referring to is liquid chalk like Elite FTS sells: Elite Fitness Systems

Or maybe she means a chalk ball, which you can search for. It'll be in with mountain climbing gear.

THAT's what I was looking for! Thanks!

I'd be happy to wipe up my chalk mess, but the gym says no-go!
__________________
Jane
My Training Log
My eBay Store

~This is an lolcat-free zone~
~This is a no "bro" zone -- sooooo sick of that word!~

"If someone says I can't, then it makes me all the more determined to prove that I can."
-- Michael Phelps
missjane is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2008, 03:49 PM   #10 (permalink)
ninjamonkeyqueen
 
Aoife's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: City of Dis
Posts: 6,539
Default

Sorry, not subbed to the thread.
Here be what I be talking about:

Metolius Ecoball
Metolius Eco Ball for rockclimbing : TreeHugger
Metolius Eco Ball at REI.com
__________________
My Etsy Fe Chick Apparel
tumble log
Aoife in Wonderland
Werkit.com - Providing the most stylish training logs you've ever seen, while retaining all the function you need. Oh yeah!
Aoife is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 11-10-2008, 05:30 PM   #11 (permalink)
Scale Watch: 130.2
 
missjane's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Ohio
Posts: 7,013
Default

Many thanks.
__________________
Jane
My Training Log
My eBay Store

~This is an lolcat-free zone~
~This is a no "bro" zone -- sooooo sick of that word!~

"If someone says I can't, then it makes me all the more determined to prove that I can."
-- Michael Phelps
missjane is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:55 AM.

Features ...
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2009, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.2.0
Ad Management by RedTyger