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03-30-2008, 06:55 AM
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lunge-jumps? WTF?
So I did my first stage 3 workout the other day and I pushed myself pretty hard, so that by the time I got to the body weight matrix I was pretty damn tired. Regardless, though, I think I'd have issues with the lunge jumps, and I have done ballet and competitive highland dancing, which has some pleiometric characteristics.
So how are people doing these? I basically gave up - I did the squats and lunges and then after almost collapsing trying a few lunge jumps, did as many squat jumps as I could. Are you actually supposed to go all the way down into a full lunge AND get airborne as you switch legs? I can see MAYBE one or the other, but not both.
KEDG
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03-30-2008, 07:18 AM
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Yep, I think that's the idea. Wicked no?  My attempt at it was sloppy as hell. I've since had to take time off for injuries and now I'm modifying workouts till I'm recovered. Today I'm gonna try the BW matrix by itself and hope for better form. We'll see how it goes fresh from warm up instead of after lifting.
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03-30-2008, 07:31 AM
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I've actually been afraid to try the bw matrix after lifting. I have horrible balance anyway, and I could just see some embarrassing accident happening! 
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03-30-2008, 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by kedg
Are you actually supposed to go all the way down into a full lunge AND get airborne as you switch legs?
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Yes, that is what is intended. But if you were not able to do full ROM lunge jumps, then make it your goal to improve each time you come to this leg matrix. Improvements could be that you get more of the prescribed reps or that you improved your ROM on the reps you did.
This thread has a link to a video of a guy doing this leg matrix: The Leg Matrix
These threads might be encouraging to you. Most everyone finds this leg matrix challenging:
stage three bodyweight matrix
Stage 3 matrix lunge question?
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Originally Posted by Susan4
Today I'm gonna try the BW matrix by itself and hope for better form. We'll see how it goes fresh from warm up instead of after lifting.
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This leg matrix is what's called a "finisher." I encourage you not to do it before your lifting, even if your performance on the matrix is poorer than what it would be if you did it while you're fresh. The general fatigue and specific thigh fatigue from the matrix would most likely compromise your lifts. The lifts are the most important part of this program. You want to get the heaviest loads you can with good form for the prescribed reps, and you don't want to do anything that would compromise that goal.
Just work to improve on your last performance of the matrix, whatever that was. If you really want to try the matrix apart from lifting, just to see how much better you can do, then try it on a non-lifting day.
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Our main business is not to see what lies dimly at a distance, but to do what lies clearly at hand.
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Last edited by Lisa~ : 03-30-2008 at 07:55 AM.
Reason: To add a link to another thread about this leg matrix
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03-30-2008, 07:46 AM
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Wow, just watched the BW matrix video. He sure looked beat!
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03-30-2008, 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Lisa~
Yes, that is what is intended. But if you were not able to do full ROM lunge jumps, then make it your goal to improve each time you come to this leg matrix. Improvements could be that you get more of the prescribed reps or that you improved your ROM on the reps you did.
This thread has a link to a video of a guy doing this leg matrix: The Leg Matrix
This thread might be encouraging to you. Most everyone finds this leg matrix challenging: stage three bodyweight matrix
This leg matrix is what's called a "finisher." I encourage you not to do it before your lifting, even if your performance on the matrix is poorer than what it would be if you did it while you're fresh. The general fatigue and specific thigh fatigue from the matrix would most likely compromise your lifts. The lifts are the most important part of this program. You want to get the heaviest loads you can with good form for the prescribed reps, and you don't want to do anything that would compromise that goal.
Just work to improve on your last performance of the matrix, whatever that was. If you really want to try the matrix apart from lifting, just to see how much better you can do, then try it on a non-lifting day.
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Lisa, you are awesome! I wish you could be my trainer.  Tell me, were you born this good, or do you work hard at it? 
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03-30-2008, 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by LT Hebert
Wow, just watched the BW matrix video. He sure looked beat!
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He's a big guy. That's a whole lot of weight to propel into the air!
He's also what's called "static proficient" rather than "spring proficient." In other words, he's strong like a powerlifter, but not explosive like a field athlete. Everyone has their strengths and weaknesses. This matrix is a real challenge for this guy, but it's great that he's doing it!
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Lisa, you are awesome! I wish you could be my trainer.  Tell me, were you born this good, or do you work hard at it? 
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HA. You know, I'm not that far from you. If you're ever heading east on I-10 for anything and have time for a stop, we could get a session in!
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Lisa Holladay, CSCS
Our main business is not to see what lies dimly at a distance, but to do what lies clearly at hand.
--Thomas Carlyle
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03-30-2008, 08:11 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lisa~
This leg matrix is what's called a "finisher." I encourage you not to do it before your lifting, even if your performance on the matrix is poorer than what it would be if you did it while you're fresh. The general fatigue and specific thigh fatigue from the matrix would most likely compromise your lifts. The lifts are the most important part of this program. You want to get the heaviest loads you can with good form for the prescribed reps, and you don't want to do anything that would compromise that goal.
Just work to improve on your last performance of the matrix, whatever that was. If you really want to try the matrix apart from lifting, just to see how much better you can do, then try it on a non-lifting day.
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Thank you! I wish you lived here!! I need a trainer bad, major form issues led to my back getting injured...then I overexerted a tricep trying to come back too strong. ::sigh:: So I'm off lifting for a bit and thought I'd just give it a go to see if I could do better on it and get some kind of a workout in. The guy in the video did better than I did last time I tried, if I could match his performance I'd be happy! 
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03-30-2008, 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Susan4
Thank you! I wish you lived here!! I need a trainer bad
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You're in Missouri? Oman, you're only gonna fit in a few sessions with me if you become one of the snowbirds that spend their winter months here!
Do a search for a trainer in your area. You might just find someone who's awesome. Trainer or No Trainer
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Lisa Holladay, CSCS
Our main business is not to see what lies dimly at a distance, but to do what lies clearly at hand.
--Thomas Carlyle
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03-30-2008, 08:44 AM
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Honestly, the BW matrix does get better once you get the first one finished. I'll be doing workout 3A on Monday and the leg matrix is actually my favorite part of the workout now. The first time I did the lunge jump there wasn't much lunging going on but I gave it my best (they looked more like scissors, LOL). Workout 2A they were easier.
Just do your best, you can only get better after that! 
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03-30-2008, 05:24 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lisa~
HA. You know, I'm not that far from you. If you're ever heading east on I-10 for anything and have time for a stop, we could get a session in!
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I will definitely keep that in mind! 
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