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Old 02-25-2008, 10:32 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I'm curious if there is a real difference between the Bulgarian split squat and raised static lunge. I know you are holding a plate vs. barbells, and the BSS is on a higher box, but it seems like the exact same movement. Are we doing anything different in these two exercises, or are they just there for the sake of variation?
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Old 02-26-2008, 04:22 AM   #2 (permalink)
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The BSS is WAY harder! With the rear foot elevated on the bench, this movement is killer! Don't get me wrong, the static lunge with the small elevation is difficult, too, but the BSS takes it waaaay up!
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Old 02-26-2008, 07:48 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Hmm, I guess I didn't remember how hard/easy the static lunge was in comparison since I did it a couple of days earlier. They were both really hard. If they are the same movement, though, just one harder than the other, why is one called a squat and the other a lunge?
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I did my A workout last night and my gym doesn't have aerobic steps so I had to make due with a step that's probably about 8' for the static lunges, and I think that is too high. They were killer! I plan on using a bench for the BSS when I get to it tomorrow, so there will at least be a height difference, but is this 8' too high for this exercise?
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Old 02-26-2008, 10:25 AM   #5 (permalink)
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I'm curious if there is a real difference between the Bulgarian split squat and raised static lunge. I know you are holding a plate vs. barbells, and the BSS is on a higher box, but it seems like the exact same movement. Are we doing anything different in these two exercises, or are they just there for the sake of variation?
IMHO BSS recruits more of glute and static lunge (even slightly raised one) hits quad primarily.
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With the Bulgarians, the top (laces side) of your elevated foot is touching the step, so you get very little, if any, assistance from your rear foot. With a static lunge you're doing some pressing with the toe of your rear foot so it's less of a one-sided exercise. Bulgarians are much harder.
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lunge is just another name for the split squat (squatting with your legs split fore & aft) - so BSS = variation on split squat.
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Old 02-26-2008, 12:16 PM   #8 (permalink)
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lunge is just another name for the split squat (squatting with your legs split fore & aft) - so BSS = variation on split squat.
That clears things up. Thanks!
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I plan on using a bench for the BSS when I get to it tomorrow, so there will at least be a height difference, but is this 8' too high for this exercise?
Hee hee...8 feet is definitely too high...

Sorry, I couldn't resist!
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IMHO BSS recruits more of glute and static lunge (even slightly raised one) hits quad primarily.
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With the Bulgarians, the top (laces side) of your elevated foot is touching the step, so you get very little, if any, assistance from your rear foot. With a static lunge you're doing some pressing with the toe of your rear foot so it's less of a one-sided exercise. Bulgarians are much harder.
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Old 02-27-2008, 07:34 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Hee hee...8 feet is definitely too high...

Sorry, I couldn't resist!
Haha! Wow, so didn't realize my typo..... guess that would have looked something like this?:

Just so happened I had that pic layin around, lol
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Old 02-27-2008, 04:42 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Your questions are already answered really, but I just wanted to chime in!

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why is one called a squat and the other a lunge?
There's not a lot of conformity in terminology in the fitness industry. Where you learn a movement first usually determines what you like to call it. A static lunge = split squat like LisaS said. If you think about it, static lunge doesn't make sense. The word lunge implies motion. In my own mind, split squat makes a whole lot more sense. But it doesn't matter as long as the author clarifies what he wants done.

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IMHO BSS recruits more of glute and static lunge (even slightly raised one) hits quad primarily.
Exactly the difference.

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With the Bulgarians, the top (laces side) of your elevated foot is touching the step, so you get very little, if any, assistance from your rear foot. With a static lunge you're doing some pressing with the toe of your rear foot so it's less of a one-sided exercise.
And that's why you get the difference in recruitment of the muscles.

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Bulgarians are much harder
I'm sure this is true for most of you, but it depends on where a person is weakest. If a person (read ME) is stronger in their glutes/hams, then the static lunge with foot elevated is going to be the more unpleasant of the two.

Or maybe it's just because I make clients do BSS's all the time, and therefore I'm always demo'ing them and I keep them in my own workouts too, but I don't usually do a static lunge with rear foot elevated.
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Old 02-27-2008, 04:49 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I'm sure this is true for most of you, but it depends on where a person is weakest. If a person (read ME) is stronger in their glutes/hams, then the static lunge with foot elevated is going to be the more unpleasant of the two.
This must be the case for me as well, because the BSSs, while difficult, weren't the torturous affair for me that a lot of other people were making them out to be. It was the lunges that really hurt.

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If you think about it, static lunge doesn't make sense. The word lunge implies motion. In my own mind, split squat makes a whole lot more sense.
Agreed!
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Old 02-27-2008, 05:30 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Agreed!
LOL, yeah, well, but for the sake of continuity with the book, we're gonna call them static lunge with rear foot elevated, even if that is totally cumbersome!
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Old 02-27-2008, 06:23 PM   #15 (permalink)
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I found the static lunge (rear foot elevated) MUCH harder than the BSS! Those stupid SL-RFE need to be outlawed, if ya ask me.
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Old 02-27-2008, 06:44 PM   #16 (permalink)
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This must be the case for me as well, because the BSSs, while difficult, weren't the torturous affair for me that a lot of other people were making them out to be.
i was surprised to find that this was the case for me too. it's those darn step-ups that are going to be the death of me! karen
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Old 02-28-2008, 12:14 PM   #17 (permalink)
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LittleMermaidKB, LOL!!! You are too funny! Now I'm not going to be able to do static lunges without seeing that picture in my head!
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Old 03-03-2008, 01:01 PM   #18 (permalink)
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