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Old 01-28-2008, 10:27 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Deadlifts I mean!

I have always done Romanian DL's but switching to regular DL's has me a little messed up.

I just don't feel that I am getting anything out of them other than what I would get from a squat.

I was thinking that one of two things could be happening
1. My form was off-but I got my hubby to spot me and he seems to think my form is fine

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2. My grip strength won't allow me to lift enough weight to make it challenging on my legs.

I feel it in my lower back and thats about it. I am so used to DL's having such an impact on my hamstrings, but now they are feeling a little neglected

Am I doing something wrong...?
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Old 01-28-2008, 10:34 PM   #2 (permalink)
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If you have a video camera, you can tape your RDL's and post them up here, so people can critique your form. I've posted vids of my squats/deadlifts on here and have gotten great feedback.
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my problem was that my butt was too low, making it so that I was "squatting" my deadlift. Once i raised my butt it was suddenly work again, in the right way. Still not the same as RDL's, and I love RDLs.... but at least deadlifts are actually a leg workout now.
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Deadlifts I mean!
I just don't feel that I am getting anything out of them other than what I would get from a squat.
Are your hips high enough? Your hips should be higher than your knee, for certain.

This is a pretty good example of a deadlift for the concentric, eccentricwise, he should not be stopping mid-movement like he did:



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Do you use a mixed grip?
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my problem was that my butt was too low, making it so that I was "squatting" my deadlift. Once i raised my butt it was suddenly work again, in the right way. Still not the same as RDL's, and I love RDLs.... but at least deadlifts are actually a leg workout now.
Someone else posted this photo (Lisa~?) but it might help to illustrate the point...

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Hmm.. I'm definitely putting my butt farther down than the picture shows, but I was told it's better to do it that way. How does having your butt higher make it work more if it has a shorter way to?
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Hmm.. I'm definitely putting my butt farther down than the picture shows, but I was told it's better to do it that way. How does having your butt higher make it work more if it has a shorter way to?
Because the real action is the straightening the upper body to the vertical, not the legs lifting. When your hip are higher, the load is more on the hams and hips rather than the quads.

In the squat, since you go down much lower, the load is more on the quads and hips.

In the last 1/3 of a squat, the hams get brought in more, but the majority of it is still on the quads, due to the more vertical alignment of the upper body.

If you're leaning in the squat as much as you do in a deadlift, you're doing it wrong. This I know from personal experience that lead to a back injury.
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Deadlifts are great, really. I like doing Sumo style deads as they work the adductors. I also us grips to be able to increase my weight.

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Deadlifts I mean!

I have always done Romanian DL's but switching to regular DL's has me a little messed up.

I just don't feel that I am getting anything out of them other than what I would get from a squat.

I was thinking that one of two things could be happening
1. My form was off-but I got my hubby to spot me and he seems to think my form is fine

or
2. My grip strength won't allow me to lift enough weight to make it challenging on my legs.

I feel it in my lower back and thats about it. I am so used to DL's having such an impact on my hamstrings, but now they are feeling a little neglected

Am I doing something wrong...?
1. You can't spot a deadlift. You can spot a squat though. You saying he spotted you makes me think your form might be more like a squat. Maybe?

The feeling you're really looking for is in your glutes more than your hamstrings anyway. We had a good deadlifting discussion in this thread. Please read the links I put in post #3: Deadlifts - form?

And when Julie and Tracey got to go lift with Cassandra, they video taped their deadlifts. They did a great job and Tracey was just learning. You can see those videos in this thread: CT workout - This Sunday

2. If your grip is your limiting factor, consider buying yourself some chalk. It's not expensive. And don't wear gloves (which make the distance you have to grip fatter). Julie asked for grip help and we had a pretty good discussion in this thread: Grip Help Please!
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Someone else posted this photo (Lisa~?) but it might help to illustrate the point...

man, you beat me to this pic! I love this illustration. The guy deadlifting looks like an ape. This is who I try to turn into at the starting point of the DL))) As far as squat I'll let your fantasy rule.....
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tee hee..... I love Romanians too.... Romanian men!

Sorry, I couldn't resist. I visited Romania a few years ago and I am always bragging to my friends about how chivalrous the Romanian men are!
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Sorry, I couldn't resist. I visited Romania a few years ago and I am always bragging to my friends about how chivalrous the Romanian men are!
American men are chivalrous too, if there's sex in the end if he's < 30 and single or home cooked dinner if > 30 and married.
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1. You can't spot a deadlift. You can spot a squat though. You saying he spotted you makes me think your form might be more like a squat. Maybe?

The feeling you're really looking for is in your glutes more than your hamstrings anyway. We had a good deadlifting discussion in this thread. Please read the links I put in post #3: Deadlifts - form?

And when Julie and Tracey got to go lift with Cassandra, they video taped their deadlifts. They did a great job and Tracey was just learning. You can see those videos in this thread: CT workout - This Sunday

2. If your grip is your limiting factor, consider buying yourself some chalk. It's not expensive. And don't wear gloves (which make the distance you have to grip fatter). Julie asked for grip help and we had a pretty good discussion in this thread: Grip Help Please!

Sorry, by spot I mean, he watched me and thought that I was doing it correctly. I am still confused, I will have to go back in and try and tighten up my form. This is just such an awkward exercise for me for some reason.
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